Changes in CRiS registration criteria?

CaroleBD
CaroleBD Forum Participant Posts: 7
edited April 2016 in Caravan & Motorhome Chat #1

Hi all,

I wonder if anyone, maybe an expert, can throw any light on the following: When trying to re-register my newly aquired, second-hand van I am being told by CRiS that, even though it was previously registered to the last owner without any problems, they cannot
now register it to me until I get an "approved" certificate....because it was the subject of some minor damage that was a "category D" insurance claim (hail stone damage only).... prior to the last owner purchasing and registering it! This damage occurred
way back in 2013. Apparently, the rules have changed in the last year BUT it still applies in retrospect!! Do I just not bother to re-register it with CRis?

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  • cyberyacht
    cyberyacht Forum Participant Posts: 10,218
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    edited April 2016 #2

    I fail to see how hailstone damage affects re-registration unless it was an insurance write-off.

  • EmilysDad
    EmilysDad Forum Participant Posts: 8,973
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    edited April 2016 #3

    I fail to see how hailstone damage affects re-registration unless it was an insurance write-off.

    That's what a cat D write off is Cool.....  http://www.rac.co.uk/drive/advice/know-how/what-is-an-insurance-write-off

  • CaroleBD
    CaroleBD Forum Participant Posts: 7
    edited April 2016 #4

    Yes, it was an insurance job....BUT since then it has been registered to the previous owner by CRiS with no problem!! Now, they won't register it to me. Total madness.

  • MichaelT
    MichaelT Forum Participant Posts: 1,874
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    edited April 2016 #5

    Yes get it registered as yo would need this when you sell it as it acts like the log book of a car, would you buy a car without a log book?

    If you bought from a dealer then they should have told you it was a write off, if privately then you need to speak to the person you bought from.

  • CaroleBD
    CaroleBD Forum Participant Posts: 7
    edited April 2016 #6

    Yes get it registered as yo would need this when you sell it as it acts like the log book of a car, would you buy a car without a log book?

    If you bought from a dealer then they should have told you it was a write off, if privately then you need to speak to the person you bought from.

    Write your comments here...I bought it privately. There was no hidden agenda... Sorry but you have missed the point. I knew it had been storm damaged..BUT SINCE THEN it had been re-registered by CRiS to it's last owner... NO PROBLEM. Or so you would think
    BUT now IN RETROPECT the rules have changed and now I need to RETROSPECTIVELY obtain proof that the damage was dealt with... how does one do that so long after the event?!

     

  • CaroleBD
    CaroleBD Forum Participant Posts: 7
    edited April 2016 #7

    Btw... a CRiS registration document is not a legal document in the same way as a car "log book". It is NOT proof of ownership either. Also, insurance companies only require the VIN number  as proof to insure the van. The fact that this is the number used
    by CRiS as a reference is also irrelevant.

  • MichaelT
    MichaelT Forum Participant Posts: 1,874
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    edited April 2016 #8

    Btw... a CRiS registration document is not a legal document in the same way as a car "log book". It is NOT proof of ownership either. Also, insurance companies only require the VIN number  as proof to insure the van. The fact that this is the number used
    by CRiS as a reference is also irrelevant.

    Write your comments here...What is proof of ownership for a caravan then? 

    Anyway if you bought from teh people that had teh van repaired can they not give you the invice/recepits from teh repair shop as proof it was repaired?

  • CaroleBD
    CaroleBD Forum Participant Posts: 7
    edited April 2016 #9

    I'm sorry MichaelT that's not the question I asked to discuss. Please see my original post.

  • MichaelT
    MichaelT Forum Participant Posts: 1,874
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    edited April 2016 #10

    I'm sorry MichaelT that's not the question I asked to discuss. Please see my original post.

    Write your comments here...Sorry I thought you meant you needed proof it was repaired but looking again you need a certificate so wouldnt the people you bought it off have that or be able to obtain it?  Without CRIS I guess its going to be hard to sell as
    technically it was a write off and without this proof ir was just hail damage that could mean anything so you really need to get it registered.

    Also what is the CriS if it not proof of ownership?

  • eurortraveller
    eurortraveller Club Member Posts: 6,830 ✭✭✭
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    edited April 2016 #11

    My own proof of ownership is the receipted invoice for the caravan stating VIN number etc. - from the UK dealer who sold me the caravan - it's a continental caravan and not CRIS registered, and insuring it has not been a problem over the last nine years.
    I could register it with CRIS but it would cost me £60 so I haven't bothered. 

  • IamtheGaitor
    IamtheGaitor Forum Participant Posts: 529
    edited April 2016 #12

    Cris is nothing like a car log book/V5C. Its not a legal document its just a scheme - no obligation to register it at all. We didnt register ours as changed owner for over a year. The CASSOA gold storage doesnt require the number and we didnt know it when
    we insured it with the CC so presumably they dont require it either. 

    Caravans have so little structural integrity anyway that the fact that its been an insurance claim - other than any warranty issues if its still within the period - wouldnt really be much of an issue I wouldnt think. A buyer will look at it and maybe commision
    a report but it would be sold as seen anyway

  • CaroleBD
    CaroleBD Forum Participant Posts: 7
    edited April 2016 #13

    My own proof of ownership is the receipted invoice for the caravan stating VIN number etc. - from the UK dealer who sold me the caravan - it's a continental caravan and not CRIS registered, and insuring it has not been a problem over the last nine years.
    I could register it with CRIS but it would cost me £60 so I haven't bothered. 

    Thanks. That's as I see it. I have a receipt and I have insurance... 

  • CaroleBD
    CaroleBD Forum Participant Posts: 7
    edited April 2016 #14

    Cris is nothing like a car log book/V5C. Its not a legal document its just a scheme - no obligation to register it at all. We didnt register ours as changed owner for over a year. The CASSOA gold storage doesnt require the number and we didnt know it when
    we insured it with the CC so presumably they dont require it either. 

    Caravans have so little structural integrity anyway that the fact that its been an insurance claim - other than any warranty issues if its still within the period - wouldnt really be much of an issue I wouldnt think. A buyer will look at it and maybe commision
    a report but it would be sold as seen anyway

    That is exactly what my research revealed. I'm surprised just how much CRiS seems to matter to everyone... as you say it's just a scheme instigated by the NCC. It's a great idea but I just couldn't believe the bureacracy. It is operated as if it is a legality
    and people therefore think it is!