Water transfer

trevorstretch
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Hi

totaly new to caravaning, we have bought van and tow vehicle, we have bought water hog to transfer water into the van tank, I have seen on YouTube you connect hose and valve to the water hog however if site does not have water on each pitch how do you transver
water from hog into tank?

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  • KjellNN
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    edited February 2016 #2

    Only serviced pitches give you your own private tap, on most sites you will have to take your water container to a communal tap (numerous on CC sites) and fill it up.

    On a serviced pitch you can use your hose and ball valve type set up to connect tap to water container.  The container then works as a "cistern" , being automatically topped up.

     

  • KjellNN
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    edited February 2016 #3

    I take it  you have a water tank in the caravan, usually under the floor?  This is known as an "onboard tank".

    You do not always need to fill it,  most systems can use directly from the water container.  Either way, you need a submersible pump or a water uptake pipe to connect between caravan and water container.

    If you state van make, model and year, we can give more details.

  • trevorstretch
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    edited February 2016 #4

    Hi

    caravan is buccaneer Caribbean it has water tank, so looks like I need a pump to get water from the water hog into the tank, if I'm not using hose, what is the pump called?

  • eurortraveller
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    edited February 2016 #5

    We just fill the internal water container in the caravan with a watering can -  no aquaroll, no external water hog, no pump, no pipes, no ball valves, no connections to taps, no paying for special serviced pitches.

  • KjellNN
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    edited February 2016 #6

    Vans with onboard tanks usually have a pump in the van, either near the tank or actually in the tank, so you may not need another pump.

    Do you have the handbook, or can you download a copy from the manufacturer's website?  To do this you need to check the model year.  It will be on the plate on the van.

    There will be other things you need a handbook to understand too.

    Can you look at the socket where the water will enter the van, can you see electrical connections to it?

    If so, you need a pump to drop into the water container.  If there is a name somewhere on the connection point, it will give a clue to the make of pump you need.  Possibly  Whale or Truma, but an accessory shop will advise, or online chat with some of the companies selling on the internet.

    It is called a submersible pump.

    If no electrical connections then you need what is known as a water uptake, which is a pipe with a grit filter and the correct plug in part to fit the socket.  This is what we have on our 2008 Sterling.

    Generally, the UK onboard tanks cannot be filled with a hose, certainly on more recent models.

    Does your control panel in the van have any   mention of autofilling of water?

  • KjellNN
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    edited February 2016 #7

    We just fill the internal water container in the caravan with a watering can -  no aquaroll, no external water hog, no pump, no pipes, no ball valves, no connections to taps, no paying for special serviced pitches.

    But the OP does not have the same type of van as you, so most likely cannot use this method, as I am sure you are aware! 

  • trevorstretch
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    edited February 2016 #8

    Trouble is the van is in storage, guess I should get it out for a day and have a look through it all.

     

    thanks for your help.

  • EmilysDad
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    edited February 2016 #9

    We just fill the internal water container in the caravan with a watering can -  no aquaroll, no external water hog, no pump, no pipes, no ball valves, no connections to taps, no paying for special serviced pitches.

    It'd be bloody hard work filling my 12 gallon onboard tank a gallon at a time ..... I'd wear a path to the nearest tap! And all water through my taps has to come via the tank, no alternative.

  • KjellNN
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    edited February 2016 #10

    The handbook should tell you all you need to know, so try to get one if it is missing.

    I had a quick look at their website, there are some there to download.  Also looked at a 2006 brochure I came across, it mentions a 10 gallon tank, a pump, and possibly an auto cut off for tank filling, so you will need some instructions if you have all
    that.

    Happy to help if you need any further advice.  The Buccaneers are lovely vans!

  • ADP1963
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    edited February 2016 #11

    Snap Happy

  • ADP1963
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    edited February 2016 #12

    We just fill the internal water container in the caravan with a watering can -  no aquaroll, no external water hog, no pump, no pipes, no ball valves, no connections to taps, no paying for special serviced pitches.

    Write your comments here... So what is the difference?, you are using one container to fill another like everyone else.   Surprised

  • JVB66
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    edited February 2016 #13

    Some friends of ours had a Carribbean,and it had an inboard pump that with a two way valve meant you could ether fill the on board tank of use an external water supply (Aqua roll) which was their usual method rather than fill up inboard tank(big)

  • KjellNN
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    edited February 2016 #14

    Yes, that's how our system works too.

  • Boff
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    edited February 2016 #15

    We just fill the internal water container in the caravan with a watering can -  no aquaroll, no external water hog, no pump, no pipes, no ball valves, no connections to taps, no paying for special serviced pitches.

    It'd be bloody hard work filling my 12 gallon onboard tank a gallon at a time ..... I'd wear a path to the nearest tap! And all water through my taps has to come via the tank, no alternative.

    I absolutely agree with you MM.  In general my belief in the superiority of continental vans. But the English made aquaroll seems so much the best way of transporting water.  I cannot life of me understand why it has not been adopted everywhere. 

  • eurortraveller
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    edited February 2016 #16

    When you have got 12 gallons of water onboard - 55 kilos weight - do you empty it all out again when you go to the next site? What on earth do you guys do with all that water? Do you drink the stuff ? 

  • Boff
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    edited February 2016 #17

    Yes I drink it.  But that a whole different thread isn't it? Smile

  • richardandros
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    edited February 2016 #18

    If it's any help, our Bailey Barcelona has a two way valve under the offside front seat.  Everything fills from the Aquaroll.  Turn the valve one way and it fills the onboard tank - surprisingly through the pump in that tank.  Once filled, turn the valve
    back and its delivering water from the Aquaroll again. Selecting either Internal or External (pump) on the main switch panel determines where the water is drawn from.  Aquaroll invariably runs out half way through a shower!! - so having an inboard tank is
    a real bonus plus it doesn't freeze in the winter.

  • rogher
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    edited February 2016 #19

    The advantage of an inboard tank is that your heater has less work to do and the water temperature supplied to mixer taps is more stable.

    An inboard tank may give you greater capacity but you can only take a longer shower if that’s matched by a similar capacity in the waste tank. 

  • ADP1963
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    edited February 2016 #20

    When you have got 12 gallons of water onboard - 55 kilos weight - do you empty it all out again when you go to the next site? What on earth do you guys do with all that water? Do you drink the stuff ? 

    Write your comments here...Well what we do is fill the onboard tank according to our stay. It is not a precise job but I bet we don't waste anymore than people without an onborad tank. I will add that having a caravan we never travel with water in the tank
    as the tank is at the rear  and would cause stability problems.

  • KjellNN
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    edited February 2016 #21

    ET.....I would think that those of us with the onboard tanks are more likely to also have the separate shower compartment and therefore more likely to use the shower in the van, so that uses a fair amount of water, then there is the washing up, and of course
    cooking and drinking.

    We manage the onboard and Aquaroll water so that we don't have huge amounts of excess water when we come to the end of a stay.

    We generally leave 10 litres  in the tank for use en route.

  • trevorstretch
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    edited February 2016 #22

    Thanks everyone for you help, think I'm getting there, slowly. Asking another question about best sat nav, in new post!!

  • Navigateur
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    edited February 2016 #23

    We just fill the internal water container in the caravan with a watering can -  no aquaroll, no external water hog, no pump, no pipes, no ball valves, no connections to taps, no paying for special serviced pitches.

    In what now seems a different universe far, far, away I caravaned with a wife and children who made innumerable visits each day to the site toilets. We had a small plastic jerry can (about half a gallon so even the youngest could carry when full) that went
    on most of these visits and returned full of water to top up the onboard tank. As the fill point resembled those for road fuel on a motor vehicle there was no Aquaroll capability.

    We seldom ran out - the only problem was refereeing the fights as to whose turn it was to carry the water!!

  • iDriver
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    edited February 2016 #24

    We choose to always use fully serviced pitches so despite our U3 Cartegena having an on board tank it never gets used. Some are making this sound very complex and cumbersome when its actually very very simple.

    Hose from tap to float valve on side of quaroll, submersible pump in aqaroll to caravan. Job Done. ?

  • SteveL
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    edited February 2016 #25

    We choose to always use fully serviced pitches so despite our U3 Cartegena having an on board tank it never gets used. Some are making this sound very complex and cumbersome when its actually very very simple.

    Hose from tap to float valve on side of quaroll, submersible pump in aqaroll to caravan. Job Done. ?

    We also like service pitches. However, unless you are not going visit certain places, you will will not always be able to take advantage of them.

  • lesbunny
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    edited February 2016 #26

    ET.....I would think that those of us with the onboard tanks are more likely to also have the separate shower compartment and therefore more likely to use the shower in the van, so that uses a fair amount of water, then there is the washing up, and of course
    cooking and drinking.

    We manage the onboard and Aquaroll water so that we don't have huge amounts of excess water when we come to the end of a stay.

    We generally leave 10 litres  in the tank for use en route.

    If the OP reads this last comment - please ignore it & do not under any circumstances tow a caravan with water left in an onboard tank - instability is an under statement !

  • Navigateur
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    edited February 2016 #27

    There is even much repeated advice to empty toilet flush and wast tanks for the same reason - though that does defeat the idea of going on the go!  However, 10 litres goes seem to be a bit in excess for a few cups of tea.

  • KjellNN
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    edited February 2016 #28

    It was only an approximation!

    No stability issues as far as we are concerned, you don't notice an extra 10l of water in a big twin axle, but could be a problem in a lighter or badly loaded van.

    We also keep the toilet ready to use, and of course we are carrrying all the fluid and water in the Alde heating system.

  • EmilysDad
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    edited February 2016 #29

    It was only an approximation!

    No stability issues as far as we are concerned, you don't notice an extra 10l of water in a big twin axle, but could be a problem in a lighter or badly loaded van.

    We also keep the toilet ready to use, and of course we are carrrying all the fluid and water in the Alde heating system.

    it's not the weight, it's the weight that's sloshing around. Fire tenders carry umpteen gallons/tons of water, but the tank is full, so it's like carrying a solid block. If it was only half full, then half of umpteen tons would easily affect the handling
    of the same tender. I carry water for a brew in a gallon container but do leave the toilet ready for use ...... don't have Alde heating Wink

    I confess that I once set off with both hot water tank & cold water tank full because they had Milton in ...... I forgot. I did wonder why it felt different Surprised

  • ADP1963
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    edited February 2016 #30

    That is us to a tee Molly. I know we have the same type of caravan.Once I did forget to drain the tank and yes I knew about it on the road,so pulled over and drained the tank. Have you got your motor back.......hope so.

  • rogher
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    edited February 2016 #31

    If your tank is central and over the axle, the effect of water left in will be far less than if it is to one side and away from the axle. It’s a lot easier to gain a central position in a motorhome because the floor is raised and there are two axles to share
    the load between. In my case I have three conjoined tanks, so that any ‘sloshing’ is considerably restricted. Some tanks have baffles.