Water heater

snorkellers
snorkellers Forum Participant Posts: 2

Been caravanning 2 years now and in the season try to get away every other weekend. In the past I have always drained down the hot water tank and have to fill and bleed it every trip. My question is, is it OK to leave the water in the tank for any length
of time. This water is just used for washing and washing up, using a fresh bottle for tea etc

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  • Simon100
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    edited January 2016 #2

    If you leave the water in the tank you are adding about 10 kg to your vans weight and all that water sloshing around as you travel might not do your heater any good.  

    There is also the potential of the water freezing and splitting the pipes causing a leak.  

    My advice would be to drain down every time you travel. 

  • fur ball
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    edited January 2016 #3

    I drain down as don't like the thought of washing or washing up with water that has been left sitting even for a week. I'm no expert but I'm sure there would even be a risk of legionaires although probably very low not something I'm going risk.

  • cyberyacht
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    edited January 2016 #4

    I always drain down, even in summer. Why carry extra weight?

  • snorkellers
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    edited January 2016 #5

    Thanks for your answers. I was more concerned about legionaires than the extra weight.

  • mickysf
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    edited January 2016 #6

    Drain down if not in use and freezing conditions are expected! 

  • rogher
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    edited January 2016 #7

    The main need to drain down is to avoid the water freezing. If it’s not going to freeze, you could leave it in without concern, other than the extra 10kg that you’re carrying. Motorhomers rarely drain down (or, at least, I rarely do).

  • AndyNYorks
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    edited January 2016 #8

    If you are using the van regularly and are not concerned about the weight then there is no need to drain down unless cold weather is expected. As long as your water is hot enough the risk of legionnaires is very low. We use our van most weeks and never drain
    down except during winter months when there is a risk of freezing.

  • Kerry Watkins
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    edited January 2016 #9

    We always drain down or hot water heater after every trip. We do it as we pack things away before travelling home. It's a simple matter of unscrewing two taps and it's done.

  • harryb
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    edited January 2016 #10

    Same as AndyNY.

    I've never had a problem with extra weight or instability. In winter I always drain down. Open the drain plug when leaving site and close it when I get home. That way I get rid of all water in the pipes..

  • nelliethehooker
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    edited January 2016 #11

    I drain down whenever leaving a site and recharge it at the next, even though we caravan all year round.

  • EmilysDad
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    edited January 2016 #12

    I drain the hot water every time too ..... apart from the couple of times I've forgot Innocent The extra weight doen't make much difference
    to the car, but I drain it anyway.

  • briantimber
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    edited January 2016 #13

    I drain the hot water through the sink every trip. That way it helps to disperse any food or fat accumulations in the pipe and tank, it also stops the brown marks left behind on the grass by those who drain straight to the ground.......Cool

  • cyberyacht
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    edited January 2016 #14

    Is that wise? If your pump is on the inlet side of the tank, it is pumping air rather than water. As for the grass, just wait until you've pulled off the pitch.

  • nelliethehooker
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    edited January 2016 #15

    Draining down, I let the hot water run off into my waste water container. I seen the horrible mess left by caravanners who have allowed hot water to drain onto grass pitches.They've no consideration for others
    who will be using that pitch or for the site owner who tries to keep his pitches in decent condition.

  • SteveL
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    edited January 2016 #16

    Is that wise? If your pump is on the inlet side of the tank, it is pumping air rather than water. As for the grass, just wait until you've pulled off the pitch.

    On our Bailey the handbook says the pump is designed to run dry. It even tells you to run it for 2 mins after draining the tank to make dure you have expelled all the water you can.

  • SteveL
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    edited January 2016 #17

    I drain the hot water through the sink every trip. That way it helps to disperse any food or fat accumulations in the pipe and tank, it also stops the brown marks left behind on the grass by those who drain straight to the ground.......Cool

    We do this also, it gives the pipes a good clean out and also helps to remove any gunk from the waste master, as even after dilution the water is warm. If on grass, rather than hardstanding, we always make sure the tank water is totally cold.

  • Wildwood
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    edited January 2016 #18

    You must drain between trips in winter as otherwise you risk frost damage. I do not drain beyween sites though and have never had any problem with the water moving although the extra weight might have cost us a drop of fuel.

    If you are on a grass pitch do not drain hot water onto the grass though. The hot water can kill the grass.

  • ABM
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    edited January 2016 #19

    If  a  MotorHomer  was  caught  draining  any  water,  hot  or  otherwise,  whilst  on  the  move  I  reckon  he  would  be  taken  and  hanged  from  the  nearest,  highest  site  Exit  Barrier  available !!  I  can  see  no  reason  whatsoever  for  caravanners 
    to  do  it  either--  drain  it  into  your  mobile  waste  tank  and  dispose  of  it  properly   !!

      I  only  drain  the  Water  Heater  when  I'm  not  going  to  use  the  motor  for  a  couple  of  weeks  !!

  • EmilysDad
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    edited January 2016 #20

    If  a  MotorHomer  was  caught  draining  any  water,  hot  or  otherwise,  whilst  on  the  move  I  reckon  he  would  be  taken  and  hanged  from  the  nearest,  highest  site  Exit  Barrier  available !!  I  can  see  no  reason  whatsoever  for  caravanners 
    to  do  it  either--  drain  it  into  your  mobile  waste  tank  and  dispose  of  it  properly   !!

      I  only  drain  the  Water  Heater  when  I'm  not  going  to  use  the  motor  for  a  couple  of  weeks  !!

    It's only water ..... most of mine gets drained on/near the pitch, but some will drain on the move

  • mbee1
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    edited January 2016 #21

    I always drain down every time.

  • Tammygirl
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    edited January 2016 #22

    We never drain down between sites, and only drain down if we are not using it for a month or so. Obviously we do a full drain down in winter. 

  • EmilysDad
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    edited January 2016 #23

    We never drain down between sites ..... 

    As per John's Mondeo's 75/90 kg hitch weight thread, it's hard enough to get anywhere near my car's nose weight without the water in the heater Wink

  • hitchglitch
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    edited January 2016 #24

    Interesting posts. I have never given a moment's thought to draining down after each trip other than for winter storage. All that extra water and air gurgling around when you fill up. Now I know why people use so much water!

  • nelliethehooker
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    edited January 2016 #25

    If  a  MotorHomer  was  caught  draining  any  water,  hot  or  otherwise,  whilst  on  the  move  I  reckon  he  would  be  taken  and  hanged  from  the  nearest,  highest  site  Exit  Barrier  available !!  I  can  see  no  reason  whatsoever  for  caravanners  to  do  it  either--  drain  it  into  your  mobile  waste  tank  and  dispose  of  it  properly   !!

      I  only  drain  the  Water  Heater  when  I'm  not  going  to  use  the  motor  for  a  couple  of  weeks  !!

    It's only water ..... most of mine gets drained on/near the pitch, but some will drain on the move

    But it's not only water, it's hot water which causes severe damage to grass pitches, MM. Haven't you seen the burnt grass where caravanners have drained down?

  • EmilysDad
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    edited January 2016 #26

    ... ..... most of mine gets drained on/near the pitch, but some will drain on the move

    But it's not only water, it's hot water which causes severe damage to grass pitches, MM. Haven't you seen the burnt grass where caravanners have drained down?

    I was thinking of just the 'on the move' bit. My hot water generally gets drained into the wastemaster with some of the cold water in my fixed onboard water tank Happy

  • nelliethehooker
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    edited January 2016 #27

    Sorry to misunderstand you.Embarassed Fair point really, as the vast majority of M/Hs are likely to be on H/S pitches anyway, and any damage would then be negledgable.

  • rogher
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    edited January 2016 #28

    I think there’s little point in draining down a motorhome’s h/w tank when leaving a site. The extra 10kg of weight should not affect payload significantly and it’s water you’ll need to reheat when you arrive at the next one. I had assumed that motorhomers
    travelled with some fresh water onboard, because they can. What would you use if you stopped en route? Caravanning and motorhoming are similar but also very different.

  • EmilysDad
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    edited January 2016 #29

    I'd have thought that full tanks would be better to travel with rather than half full/empty tanks that allow water to slosh around Undecided

  • rogher
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    edited January 2016 #30

    In the case of a hot water tank, it will normally be completely full and only empty if you deliberately drain it. I’d empty the cold water tank before travelling with a caravan, for lightness and stability, and I’d take enough for the journey in a separate
    container in the tug. It would depend on the location and design of the tank, if I carried any water in it. You don’t want water to be splashing out anywhere, even through an overflow, if full. Neither would you want a large mass of water moving around whilst
    on tow, as it would if only part full.

    In a motorhome the effect of water sloshing around is less important. A few have a partial drain facility which will dump all but the last 20 litres of fresh water, so that you have a known amount to carry. Those with a smaller payload have smaller tanks
    but it still does not make sense carrying something that’s easily obtainable unnecessarily. My tanks will carry 300 litres of fresh, which is a lot of weight to carry if you don’t need to. Better to have fuel or wine instead.

  • young thomas
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    edited January 2016 #31

    rogher, you daid your next van would be 'the same but on a 3500 chassis'....will it still have tanks as large as this.....german i would guess....?