12v to 230v inverters

bobtay
bobtay Forum Participant Posts: 4
edited August 2016 in Parts & Accessories #1

Anyone any ideas which inverter to buy to run a 800w hair dryer I know the  basics but which inverter  standard? Modified or pure sine and what wattage any help would be welcome    thank bobtay

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  • young thomas
    young thomas Club Member Posts: 11,357 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    edited August 2016 #2

    ....probably one rated about 1000w, not sure you need pure sine wave for a hairdryer....

    however, as you are obviously running off-grid, what size battery bank do you have and what size solar panel?

    i ask as running the hd for any length of time will take a chunk out of your supply.... 

  • Marksailor
    Marksailor Forum Participant Posts: 57
    edited August 2016 #3

    For a standard hairdryer a 1000W quasi sine wave inverter will be fine. Just make sure you use adequate wiring- at least 25mm2 on the 12V side to avoid voltage drop and ensure there is a large Fuse inline on the positive cable as close to the batter as possible-
    and fit a large inline isolator switch as well, between battery and fuse- and wire directly to battery. If you want to join to the internal wiring, then you would need either a changeover switch (so that the main inlet socket isn't live when the inverter is)
    or fit a socket from the inverter to the standard mains inlet.

  • thegibsons
    thegibsons Forum Participant Posts: 39
    edited August 2016 #4

    You defintely dont need a sine wave (more expensive anyway) be careful with the wattage, advertised as 1000w does not usually mean 1000w continuous so it might be better going a bit higher good luck

  • QFour
    QFour Forum Participant Posts: 442
    edited August 2016 #5

    The inverter will be using roughly 85 amps so you need some heavy duty cables. You also need a decent sized battery thats capable of providing 85 amps. A 100 amp battery will give you about 30 minutes use before the battery starts to suffer damage. Then you have to put the energy back in again. Take 6 - 8 hours with a large solar panel on a nice sunny day.

  • Whittakerr
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    edited August 2016 #6

    Reading the above posts, if it was me I’d stick to a towel! Worried

  • Justus2
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    edited August 2016 #7

    I have a 1000w inverter, only used it twice, connected to the battery with short jump leads on a temp basis..It was hopeless even though the battery was charged unless the engine was running .

  • young thomas
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    edited August 2016 #8

    Reading the above posts, if it was me I’d stick to a towel! Worried

    ...an inverter is useful for powering other stuff as well....ours is mainly used for running the sky box (mains only) while off grid...it doesnt works very well with a towelWink 

  • QFour
    QFour Forum Participant Posts: 442
    edited August 2016 #9

    I use the inverter to power my electric toothbrush and in the winter I use it for my electric blanket.  It's well worth it, I can tell you. 

  • huskydog
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    edited August 2016 #10

    An inverter is a useful addidtion ,because you can power "mains" stuff when taking a stop from traveling to a site ....

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  • MichaelT
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    edited August 2016 #12

    Most stuff will charge form a USB port nowadays, Tablet, toothbrush, phone etc. I guess you could even buy a 12v haridryer somewhere.

  • Marksailor
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    edited August 2016 #13

    I fit inverters to boats which have substantial battery charging capability (as do motorhomes, I suppose!). I think for caravan use, you would need to carefully explore the pros and cons- expecially given that a safe, proper installation is important. Plus
    I would never try and connect anything but the smallest inverter to a battery with crocdile clips- you need the correct size wiring (as I mentioned before at least 25mm2 cross sectional area), an isolating switch and a fuse (probably 100 or 125A) in the positive
    line. Using crocodile clips is not good for sustained high current loads (ok for short ones, like jump starting a car!).

  • huskydog
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    edited August 2016 #14

    An inverter is a useful addidtion ,because you can power "mains" stuff when taking a stop from traveling to a site ....

    What sort of mains stuff do you have in mind HD?

    We take a 240v 12inch desk fan to cool the dog down if it gets too hot (not very often then), dont find the 12volt car type shifts enough air........

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  • RoyandBev
    RoyandBev Forum Participant Posts: 84
    edited August 2016 #16

    Problem with inverters it the shear amount of amps you need to get high watts as stated 85A to run your hair dryer. You also have to remember your battery capacity if it is 85W it is flat in an hour but in reality you should never go below 60% of your batteries
    capacity 50% at the outside. Most users of high power inverters will have a twin battery set up to help.

     

    Yes you can go lower but even a leisure battery won’t last long if you keep running it that low, after 15 to 20 minutes you have to recharge or your battery will die, it is probably already down from full charge after a night of lights TV possibly heating
    fan for the heating in winter.

     

    If you can’t charge it right away you can kiss it good buy, that is why an inverter realistically needs to be combined with a 120W solar panel so it can be recharged (hopefully) during daylight hours.

     

    REMEMBER an inverter might be driven by 12 volts but it can kill you just as effectively as mains as it is mains so if you are not 100% sure of what you are doing get an expert to install it.

  • jennyc
    jennyc Forum Participant Posts: 957
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    edited August 2016 #17

    An inverter running a hairdryer will further deplete the battery due to its internal losses. You need to avoid an inverter and use 12v systems whenever possible, cutting out the middleman so to speak. 12v hair dryers are readily available on the Internet,
    we have one. You might like to consider using it in your car with the engine running to save draining a lot of power from your van battery. The alternator will cope well. However, 12v hair dryers aren't very powerful, so you need a good toweling first. Did
    you know that you can buy catalytic gas fuelled straighteners. Boots sell their small gas cartridges.

  • Youngr
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    edited August 2016 #18

    Reading the above posts, if it was me I’d stick to a towel! Worried

    ...an inverter is useful for powering other stuff as well....ours is mainly used for running the sky box (mains only) while off grid...it doesnt works very well with a towelWink 

    Please advise what size inverter you use for your Sky box, I am not certain what size is required

    Thanks

  • RoyandBev
    RoyandBev Forum Participant Posts: 84
    edited August 2016 #19

    Reading the above posts, if it was me I’d stick to a towel! Worried

    ...an inverter is useful for powering other stuff as well....ours is mainly used for running the sky box (mains only) while off grid...it doesnt works very well with a towelWink 

    Please advise what size inverter you use for your Sky box, I am not certain what size is required

    Thanks

    Write your comments here...

    Your electrical equipment should tell you it’s power requirements in Watts  just add all the items you want to run add a bit for safety and some spare capacity for power  I used a 300W inverter just a cheap one from Maplin to run a TV and digital top box
    (before we went for a 12 volt modern TV)

    I now use it for the odd charger here and there when off grid, anything that I can’t plug into my 12 volt supply

    It works fine but cheep is not generally efficient OK for a few amps but anything over that and you are losing a lot in heat and electrical noise.

    You have to remember Watts = amps X volts so 1 amp at 12 volts is just 12 W, 300 W will take all of 25 A without loses you can see from that how the amps rack up.

    If in doubt use something like
    http://www.rapidtables.com/calc/electric/watt-volt-amp-calculator.htm to work it out for you

     From your batteries capacity how long you can hope to keep things going, try not to go below 50% of you batteries capacity and always recharge ASAP or your battery will not live long.

    Remember the power from an inverter is just as bale to give a shock as mains and it only takes 300mA to kill you if unlucky so always treat with the same respect as you would mains. It is amps that kill not volts and 230 Volts are enough to drive current
    through you body.

  • young thomas
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    edited August 2016 #20

    Reading the above posts, if it was me I’d stick to a towel! Worried

    ...an inverter is useful for powering other stuff as well....ours is mainly used for running the sky box (mains only) while off grid...it doesnt works very well with a towelWink 

    Please advise what size inverter you use for your Sky box, I am not certain what size is required

    Thanks

    i actually have twoWink....one 300w and the other 500w....either does the job..Happy