Generators

pippip111152
pippip111152 Forum Participant Posts: 7
edited June 2016 in Parts & Accessories #1

Hi everybody, I know a lot of you do not like generators but for those that do I have two questions:-

1) I would like to use a generator that has been converted to LPG

2) I would like to put the generator inside a large garage in a motorhome I have just purchased. I would like to know what members feel about them being permanently fixed into the garage and also how they get rid of the exhaust fumes.

Many thanks & I look forward to your comments.

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  • DORMAN12Q
    DORMAN12Q Forum Participant Posts: 90
    edited June 2016 #2

    No2 you will need to mount it on good avms (anti vibration mountings),

    you will have to pipe the exhaust outside were the exhaust fumes can't be sucked in to the living quarters,

    pipe the exhaust outside run the pipe through an expansion sleeve to allow the exhaust to expand and not burn the side of your motor home, you should fit a flexible exhaust bellows to allow the exhaust to flex and not snap due to vibration ,

    you should lag the exhaust to keep the temperature in the garage down,

    you will need enough air flow for combustion and to keep the engine and alternator cool.

    as the room temperature rises the air will be less dense and there will be less oxygen in the combustion air.

    I would line the walls and roof of the garage with sound absorbing pads.

    are you going to use a change over switch to disconnect the mains incoming plug so the motor home is fed from mains or generator?

    you have to make sure it can be easily removed so you can service it.

    make sure you have battery lighting in there in case you have to work on it in the dark.

    you can usually fit an extra exhaust silencer to keep noise down.

    hope that gives you somewhere to start from.

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited June 2016 #3

    Personally, I think you'd be mad to do it.

    I hope I'm never pitched close to you inhaling the exhaust fumes you pump out. I'm not meaning to be nasty here but it is an anti social item to use in the vicinity of other campers.

  • DORMAN12Q
    DORMAN12Q Forum Participant Posts: 90
    edited June 2016 #4

    But you will sit in a traffic jam on the motor way with 100 cars with far bigger engines than a little generator?

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited June 2016 #5

    But you will sit in a traffic jam on the motor way with 100 cars with far bigger engines than a little generator?

    That is quite a ridiculous comparison, Dorman.

  • iffajobsworthdoing
    iffajobsworthdoing Forum Participant Posts: 94
    edited June 2016 #6

    Honda I believe did an LPG conversion for their 10i, which I am sure was claimed to be less harmful and maybe wouldn't need so much "plumbing in"

    Like a lot of other things you either like them or loath them, that's life. Used sensibly the Honda 10i is very quiet and even running on petrol doesn't give off that much smell.

  • cyberyacht
    cyberyacht Forum Participant Posts: 10,218
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    edited June 2016 #7

    A good sized solar panel and an inverter is a far more 'environment/neighbour friendly' solution.

  • Grumblewagon
    Grumblewagon Forum Participant Posts: 246
    edited June 2016 #8

    I agree, a solar panel and maybe a small wind generator (as often seen on yachts).  Much more friendly.

  • huskydog
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    edited June 2016 #9

    And don't forget ,you don't need fuel to run a SP,only sun and thats freeLaughing

  • Boff
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    edited June 2016 #10

    One of the potential problems with placing the generator in the Garage is that it might act as a sound box and amplify the sound.

    I don't object to generators on principal. but I have encounterd the following antisocial  examples of their use.

    Generators being run 24/7

    Generators  used when the occupants are out because it so noisy

    Generators placed where sounds will resonate

    Generators placed at the end of hook up lead so that they are closer to my van tthan the van they are supplying power to.

    To be fair Honda Eu generators are a lot quieter, than  the cheap 2 stroke ones but they aren't silent no matter what the adverts and owners say.

    Apart from that I am fine with generators.

    Did I mention the smell of them as well Innocent ?

  • Merve
    Merve Forum Participant Posts: 2,333
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    edited June 2016 #11

    Dorman Hi. Take a look at the section 'Tips on making caravanning and mH cheaper' and then the thread ' How to survive a non EHU site' Now, it's a huge thread because it's been so popular and I think you will find it very interesting if you give it a good
    read. The thread has encouraged folk to go non EHU and as far as I know, everyone who has done it has been chuffed to bits with it! A decent size SP (150w+) if you can is the heart of the system and its totally quiet and the electricity it generates is FREE!
    I have been non EHU for 3 yrs now and would never go back to the orange cable. I won't bang on about inverters, extra battery, Safefill and all the rest but believe me when I say modern technology is really worth installing and has offered self sufficientcy
    that our forbears could only dream of. I am honestly as comfortable now as I ever was with the umbilical cord! Generators are, as previously stated, anti social. 

  • iffajobsworthdoing
    iffajobsworthdoing Forum Participant Posts: 94
    edited June 2016 #12

    Generators, like a lot of other things,  if used correctly are not anti social. 

    As stated previously if you buy the correct generator, ie a Honda suitcase type inverter they are a useful addition to your caravanning if EHU is not available. 

    If you intend turning up on a rally with a 2.5KW building site generator then be prepared for the net curtains to start twitching. 

  • KeefySher
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    edited June 2016 #13

    You can run the generator from your Safefill gas bottle too, using an LPG feed, win win Sealed

  • DORMAN12Q
    DORMAN12Q Forum Participant Posts: 90
    edited June 2016 #14

    Thanks Merve, I will have a look.

    The original post asks for advice for how to fit a lpg powered generator,

    I have tried to offer good advice, with regards to how to install it     

    Including keeping the noise down using extra silencers anti vibration mountings , exhaust lagging and sound deadening pads, also asking if a change over switch will be installed to allow use on a hook up rather than running the generator.

    At no point has the op said they will be using the generator on club sites they have just asked for advice on how to do it.

    But as usual the generator haters have come out in force (no offence to you Merve you have been quite reasonable about it).

    There is nothing wrong with properly installed and silenced generators being used.

    I would also like someone to tell me why if this club hates generators so much it has just renewed its diesel generator hire contract with a new supplier.

    I know for a fact the generators the club hires will be far larger than anything the op was considering fitting. 

  • Stevesie
    Stevesie Forum Participant Posts: 73
    edited June 2016 #15

    No2 you will need to mount it on good avms (anti vibration mountings),

    you will have to pipe the exhaust outside were the exhaust fumes can't be sucked in to the living quarters,

    pipe the exhaust outside run the pipe through an expansion sleeve to allow the exhaust to expand and not burn the side of your motor home, you should fit a flexible exhaust bellows to allow the exhaust to flex and not snap due to vibration ,

    you should lag the exhaust to keep the temperature in the garage down,

    you will need enough air flow for combustion and to keep the engine and alternator cool.

    as the room temperature rises the air will be less dense and there will be less oxygen in the combustion air.

    I would line the walls and roof of the garage with sound absorbing pads.

    are you going to use a change over switch to disconnect the mains incoming plug so the motor home is fed from mains or generator?

    you have to make sure it can be easily removed so you can service it.

    make sure you have battery lighting in there in case you have to work on it in the dark.

    you can usually fit an extra exhaust silencer to keep noise down.

    hope that gives you somewhere to start from.

    Write your comments here...My business is heavily involved with generator and engine powered pump exhaust systems, noise attenuators and thermal/acoustic insulation, and I have to agree that sticking a set in the garage of a motorhome is not as simple as
    it first appears.  Lots of issues to consider and on an air cooled set cooling would one of them.

  • jennyc
    jennyc Forum Participant Posts: 957
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    edited June 2016 #16

    Thanks Merve, I will have a look.

    The original post asks for advice for how to fit a lpg powered generator,

    I have tried to offer good advice, with regards to how to install it     

    Including keeping the noise down using extra silencers anti vibration mountings , exhaust lagging and sound deadening pads, also asking if a change over switch will be installed to allow use on a hook up rather than running the generator.

    At no point has the op said they will be using the generator on club sites they have just asked for advice on how to do it.

    But as usual the generator haters have come out in force (no offence to you Merve you have been quite reasonable about it).

    There is nothing wrong with properly installed and silenced generators being used.

    I would also like someone to tell me why if this club hates generators so much it has just renewed its diesel generator hire contract with a new supplier.

    I know for a fact the generators the club hires will be far larger than anything the op was considering fitting. 

    Write your comments here...

    I think that the dislike stems from a few inconsiderate users giving the rest a bad name. I sometimes wonder if 'citizenship' shouldn't be part of schools compulsory curriculum. Litter dropping, loud noises, considerate parking, behaviour in public, dog fouling and general politeness might be core topics. It's tempting to add that reading OPs text and refraining  from responding without knowledge would help CT, but I guess that doing so would spoil some people's participation in a popular chat group . Perhaps tolerance might be taught too.

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited June 2016 #17

    Post Deleted User in view of previous poster's edit.

  • Kennine
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    edited June 2016 #18

    As we are now well into 2016 and electronics including solar technology has improved by leaps and bounds, I am not convinced there is still a place on any camping site for generators to be used to provide power to individual vans. 

    I can see the need for generators by the travellers and gypsies who park overnight where they do and Motor Caravanners who have a desire to join those travellers. But on a CL or Campsite it is my opinion that generators have been superceded by Solar Energy for individual vans.

     Others may disagree, that is their right. 

    KCool

  • mickysf
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    edited June 2016 #19

    This is the way to go if cost is not a problem! I could not justify the cost though as I manage with leisure batteries, gas and occasional hook up. Our never staying much beyond two or very occasionally three nights on a site before moving on means my engine does much of what would be the generator's work!

    http://www.efoy-comfort.com/how-it-works

     

  • cyberyacht
    cyberyacht Forum Participant Posts: 10,218
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    edited June 2016 #20

    Solar compares fairly favourably with the cost of a generator and ultimately has lower running cost.

  • KeefySher
    KeefySher Forum Participant Posts: 1,128
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    edited June 2016 #21

    My generator is paid for, therefore solar would cost me Tongue Out Better to spend on converting to LPG inlet and Safefill bottle .
    Plus an accoustic cover Tongue Out

     

    Generator was bought to use with previous MH to facilitate wild camping and use on rallies. Never had a complaint, but then it was used only when required. Even used it when wild camped at Buttertubs for the Tour de France Grande Depart in Yorkshire with
    hordes of folks all around us Sealed

  • iffajobsworthdoing
    iffajobsworthdoing Forum Participant Posts: 94
    edited June 2016 #22

    I take it all you non generator posters don't have the need to dry your hair in the morning then?

  • huskydog
    huskydog Club Member Posts: 5,460 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    edited June 2016 #23

    Er, i use a towelCool

  • jeffcc
    jeffcc Forum Participant Posts: 430
    edited June 2016 #24

    What Hair??Laughing. Use left and right arrows to navigate.

    p.s. i have no objection to generators as long as they are used with consideration towards other campers.

  • Merve
    Merve Forum Participant Posts: 2,333
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    edited June 2016 #25

    Thanks Merve, I will have a look.

    The original post asks for advice for how to fit a lpg powered generator,

    I have tried to offer good advice, with regards to how to install it     

    Including keeping the noise down using extra silencers anti vibration mountings , exhaust lagging and sound deadening pads, also asking if a change over switch will be installed to allow use on a hook up rather than running the generator.

    At no point has the op said they will be using the generator on club sites they have just asked for advice on how to do it.

    But as usual the generator haters have come out in force (no offence to you Merve you have been quite reasonable about it).

    There is nothing wrong with properly installed and silenced generators being used.

    I would also like someone to tell me why if this club hates generators so much it has just renewed its diesel generator hire contract with a new supplier.

    I know for a fact the generators the club hires will be far larger than anything the op was considering fitting. 

    Write your comments here...No offence taken. I hope you sort it one way or another. Personally , now that I have studied and entered the world of SPs, LEDs, Inverters etc, I wouldn't go back to EHUs and definitely not generators(not
    that I ever have). I would hazard a guess that had any generator been on the CL in Wales we went to in May, no matter how 'noise reduced' it had been, it would have been heard. We all sat there with our SPs- silence!! Heaven.