Member demograph
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Just reposting the picture as, although the one female is shown, some of the males are not.
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....Wasn't he the one with the infamous "piece of paper"?!!
He was the person that tried to tow his caravan up a grassy hill but ended up removing part of the rear panel of his caravan when it, not surprisingly, grounded
The things that I miss out on by not watching TV!!
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I thnk it's profoundly depressing to see the narrow demographic represented here. It positions the CC as a deeply old-fashioned, conservtive (with a small c), organisation. If our hobby is to thrive and grow into the future, surely it needs to attract a
wider demographic, much more representative of the UK population. If the public perceives CC as owned, run, staffed, and in existence only for white, suited, balding, middle-agd men, and ok maybe the occasional woman, then it cannot expect and will not deserve
to flourish in the future. I believe that the Club is very forward looking in many ways - it's a sound business that - and I can only speak as I find as a member (customer?!) for over 15 years - has invested well and works very hard to deliver hgh levels of
customer satisfaction. However, I do think that it is legitimate to criticie it on its apparent atitude to diversity.0 -
The picture that is shown is of not paid staff but the unpaid commitees which as we know in this day and age, Is left to the few "stalwarts"who put themselves forward to help run clubs nationwide,but when any club anywhere ask for new members to come forward falls on "stoney ground"
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So, it's a photo of our Club's elected Executive Council. Yes?
I have scoured the Club website for the minutes of their recent meetings, or even a summary of the decisions they have taken, but I don't seem to be able to find anything Can someone give me the link please.
Surely they don't meet in secret and make decisions without telling members. That wouldn't be how a Club operates, would it?
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So, it's a photo of our Club's elected Executive Council. Yes?
I have scoured the Club website for the minutes of their recent meetings, or even a summary of the decisions they have taken, but I don't seem to be able to find anything Can someone give me the link please.
Surely they don't meet in secret and make decisions without telling members. That wouldn't be how a Club operates, would it?
ET
If you go here you can see the AGM minutes going back several years and there is also a link to how the Club is run and the various committees. I don't know that the minutes of those committes are actually published. There are a fair number of them and I can just see the compalints if the magazine was full of committee reports each month!!! I assume the AGM minutes is a precis of the combined committee reports?
David
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I thnk it's profoundly depressing to see the narrow demographic represented here. It positions the CC as a deeply old-fashioned, conservtive (with a small c), organisation. If our hobby is to thrive and grow into the future, surely it needs to attract a
wider demographic, much more representative of the UK population. If the public perceives CC as owned, run, staffed, and in existence only for white, suited, balding, middle-agd men, and ok maybe the occasional woman, then it cannot expect and will not deserve
to flourish in the future. I believe that the Club is very forward looking in many ways - it's a sound business that - and I can only speak as I find as a member (customer?!) for over 15 years - has invested well and works very hard to deliver hgh levels of
customer satisfaction. However, I do think that it is legitimate to criticie it on its apparent atitude to diversity.I wonder if the Management under the Director General is a counter balance in terms of age? I am sure many of those in senior management roles are in a younger age group than the members in the photograph. I am sure that decision making is a two way process
and the paid management will be more aware of areas causing difficulties to the general running of the Club.David
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So, it's a photo of our Club's elected Executive Council. Yes?
I have scoured the Club website for the minutes of their recent meetings, or even a summary of the decisions they have taken, but I don't seem to be able to find anything Can someone give me the link please.
Surely they don't meet in secret and make decisions without telling members. That wouldn't be how a Club operates, would it?
ET
If you go
here you can see the AGM minutes going back several years and there is also a link to how the Club is run and the various committees. I don't know that the minutes of those committes are actually published. There are a fair number of them and I can just
see the compalints if the magazine was full of committee reports each month!!! I assume the AGM minutes is a precis of the combined committee reports?David
..It could, sorry would outstrip Sunday deps.thread
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DK. Thank you for such a prompt reply. So the photo is not the full Council and must be the Excutive Committee - which meets nine times a year. The real movers and shakers.
If not the full minutes of those nine meetings I think a summary of the decisions they have taken could well be posted on line - rather than just the once a year report at the AGM. It's the fundamental difference between the running of a Club and a commercial
company, isn't it. Boards of Directors meet in commercial confidence, but Clubs are open about the things they do.0 -
It's not a club really is it.
We will see !
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It's not a club really is it.
Its not been a "club" in the true sense of the word for a long time.Its a leisure business nowadays for which we as members get a small discount on the products and services.
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That analysis might be right if someone other than Club members had the benefit from any profits made. But, as all profits are put back into the Club for the benefits of members how is it not a Club? There is a difference between an organisation being run in business like way, through sheer size and it not also being a club. Also the structure of the management of the Club points to it not being a business in the accepted sense of the word as the executive are elected. I would be interested to know how many businesses are run like that.
David
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I thnk it's profoundly depressing to see the narrow demographic represented here. It positions the CC as a deeply old-fashioned, conservtive (with a small c), organisation. If our hobby is to thrive and grow into the future, surely it needs to attract a
wider demographic, much more representative of the UK population. If the public perceives CC as owned, run, staffed, and in existence only for white, suited, balding, middle-agd men, and ok maybe the occasional woman, then it cannot expect and will not deserve
to flourish in the future. I believe that the Club is very forward looking in many ways - it's a sound business that - and I can only speak as I find as a member (customer?!) for over 15 years - has invested well and works very hard to deliver hgh levels of
customer satisfaction. However, I do think that it is legitimate to criticie it on its apparent atitude to diversity.I wonder if the Management under the Director General is a counter balance in terms of age? I am sure many of those in senior management roles are in a younger age group than the members in the photograph. I am sure that decision making is a two way process
and the paid management will be more aware of areas causing difficulties to the general running of the Club.David
The Club has an Equality & Dversity Policy, published on the website, which is good to see. For me, this issue is about PERCEPTION. How many Black, Asian & Minority Ethnic wardens are employed? How many Black, Asian & Minority Ethnic caravanners do you see
staying on Club sites? Vey few in my experience. Of course this is all anecdotal. It just does not FEEL inclusive to me, reflected in the photographs one sees on the site and in the magazine, of exective council members, staff etc. Please be clear: I am not
accusing the Club of racism; I'm saying that I think the Club would benefit from consideing how it presents itself and looks to attract new customers and members for the future, maximising the appeal of the hobby and the insitituition, all for the benefit
of securing the future.0 -
It's not a club really is it.
Its not been a "club" in the true sense of the word for a long time.Its a leisure business nowadays for which we as members get a small discount on the products and services.
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That analysis might be right if someone other than Club members had the benefit from any profits made. But, as all profits are put back into the Club for the benefits of members how is it not a Club? There is a difference between an organisation being
run in business like way, through sheer size and it not also being a club. Also the structure of the management of the Club points to it not being a business in the accepted sense of the word as the executive are elected. I would be interested to know how
many businesses are run like that.David
I liken it to the major charities David.
A full blow business run for beneficiaries other than shareholders.
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The Club has an Equality & Dversity Policy, published on the website, which is good to see. For me, this issue is about PERCEPTION. How many Black, Asian & Minority Ethnic wardens are employed? How many Black, Asian & Minority Ethnic caravanners do you see staying on Club sites? Vey few in my experience. Of course this is all anecdotal. It just does not FEEL inclusive to me, reflected in the photographs one sees on the site and in the magazine, of exective council members, staff etc. Please be clear: I am not accusing the Club of racism; I'm saying that I think the Club would benefit from consideing how it presents itself and looks to attract new customers and members for the future, maximising the appeal of the hobby and the insitituition, all for the benefit of securing the future.
.Hicap .I think the second part of your post answers the first, as you have to be a member of the club to be employed as a warden
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I thnk it's profoundly depressing to see the narrow demographic represented here. It positions the CC as a deeply old-fashioned, conservtive (with a small c), organisation. If our hobby is to thrive and grow into the future, surely it needs to attract a wider demographic, much more representative of the UK population. If the public perceives CC as owned, run, staffed, and in existence only for white, suited, balding, middle-agd men, and ok maybe the occasional woman, then it cannot expect and will not deserve to flourish in the future. I believe that the Club is very forward looking in many ways - it's a sound business that - and I can only speak as I find as a member (customer?!) for over 15 years - has invested well and works very hard to deliver hgh levels of customer satisfaction. However, I do think that it is legitimate to criticie it on its apparent atitude to diversity.
I wonder if the Management under the Director General is a counter balance in terms of age? I am sure many of those in senior management roles are in a younger age group than the members in the photograph. I am sure that decision making is a two way process and the paid management will be more aware of areas causing difficulties to the general running of the Club.
David
Write your comments here...I believe you are correct about the professional management under the DG. They are efficient focussed on business opportunities and perfectly capable of making speedy decisions to enhance the company's profitability.
That said, The question could be asked. Why does the CC need those hundreds of well meaning amateurs sitting around on all those irrelevant outdated district, regional , national committees and councils, clogging up the decision making process.??
IMO it would be much better to let the skilled professionals run the business (which is their forte). without amateur interference.
After all it wouldn't in the least affect CC customers buying the Company's goods and services. Sites and CL's would remain exactly the same. The business would run much better.
K
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I thnk it's profoundly depressing to see the narrow demographic represented here. It positions the CC as a deeply old-fashioned, conservtive (with a small c), organisation. If our hobby is to thrive and grow into the future, surely it needs to attract a
wider demographic, much more representative of the UK population. If the public perceives CC as owned, run, staffed, and in existence only for white, suited, balding, middle-agd men, and ok maybe the occasional woman, then it cannot expect and will not deserve
to flourish in the future. I believe that the Club is very forward looking in many ways - it's a sound business that - and I can only speak as I find as a member (customer?!) for over 15 years - has invested well and works very hard to deliver hgh levels of
customer satisfaction. However, I do think that it is legitimate to criticie it on its apparent atitude to diversity.I wonder if the Management under the Director General is a counter balance in terms of age? I am sure many of those in senior management roles are in a younger age group than the members in the photograph. I am sure that decision making is a two way process
and the paid management will be more aware of areas causing difficulties to the general running of the Club.David
Write your comments here...I believe you are correct about the professional management under the DG. They are efficient focussed on business opportunities and able to make speedy decisions to enhance the company's profitability.
That said, The question could be asked. Why does the CC need those hundreds of well meaning amateurs sitting on all those irrelevant district, regional and national committees and councils clogging up the decision making process.??
Would it not be better to let the professionals run the business which is their forte. without amateur interference.
After all it wouldn't in the least affect CC customers buying the Company's goods and services. Sites and CL's would remain exactly the same.
K
. K..How about putting your idea of a change to the constitution of the cc to the AGM
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Basically because this is a members club a committee of members is needed to oversea the running. They can then appoint the professionals they need for the actual running of it. The number of people needed is a matter of opinion but the regional and district
ones look after their specific areas and so they are needed, I am not sure if they get expenses though.0 -
I think anyone who performs a task for the Club can claim out of pocket expenses.
The structure of the oraganisation does appear somewhat unwieldy but it is attempting to ensure any member can become envolved if they want to, certainly at the regional and centre levels. Get noticed and you might actually be asked to stand as a nominated council member.
peedee
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Hope I don't look like that at 60 - or 80 for that matter (previous comment by Navigateur)
Ouch!!!! that's a bit below the belt
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This comment by Deleted User User made me think that perhaps we should be more supportive of all the people who volunteer their time so we can enjoy our hobby.
‘I remain a member to access the targeted services it providss but am too busy acully caravaning to spend any time on the organisation .’
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