CC policy question - Campervan barred from site?!
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Love it! I've seen something very similar on C&CC sites. And why not?
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Sorry if this sounds a bit sharp, but I had hoped that the prejudice and snob values had evaporated over the last thirty years, but clearly not!
Not sharp at all, just laying down the truth. Like most prejudices they never go away quickly, just festering skin deep. What a snobby lot, he/she could pitch up next to me anytime.
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I would not have any problem with it. Seen quite a few in europe, in fact, camped next to one only a year or so ago in Holland.
He was on a shake down before setting off for Africa.
It cost more than my Land Rover and Caravan did by the way.
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Thirty years ago, touring in a none conventional camper we met the kind of hypocrisy and snobbish, insular conservatism that a tiny minority of posters are expressing on this thread! Along with some misinformation about "not accepting tents".
Like a few other posters, we have seen a good few of these vehicles, used as intended, knitted out as described on Club and other sites up and down the country, without any issues. Like the OP, when we did it, most evenings on sites we had people say hello
and stop to ask us about our choice of tourer. It was only the fact that we did have it accepted that made us join. My advice to OP is get some advice from HQ, get it in writing, join, and enjoy your membership!Sorry if this sounds a bit sharp, but I had hoped that the prejudice and snob values had evaporated over the last thirty years, but clearly not!
TDA, you know the score, anything that is not the norm for the beige & greys gets them all animated & in full harumph mode. Just look at the trouble those upstart Motorhomers have brought upon themselves by 'expecting' water & waste disposal, yup it's a
sin to be different on a CC site, even worse if you want the difference debated. Sad but true.0 -
I love to see a range of different vehicles and set ups - makes the site more interesting and you get some good ideas from seeing what other people do.
I get the distinct impression that the CC and some people on here would like everyone to have a less-than-five-year-old caravan from one of the standard makes, not modified in any way, preferably 16 feet or less and towed with a volvo ( which must be grey!)
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The more outlandish and unique the outfit the better for me and if the owners are real eccentrics so much the better
wish I had the
bottle not to conform to the supposed norm
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The more outlandish and unique the outfit the better for me and if the owners are real eccentrics so much the better
wish I had the
bottle not to conform to the supposed normOh I hope you pitch by us - we are eccentric and happy with it - couldnt give a monkeys what others think.
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Hi DanWhite,
The official stance on roof tents like your outfit is as follows:
“Roof tents are acceptable on Club Sites as ‘ancillary accommodation’ i.e. as extra sleeping space in support of a caravan or motorhome which is the primary accommodation. They may be used as primary accommodation only on Sites open for tent camping in general, and where vehicles are permitted on a tent pitch. Responsibility rests with the owner to ensure they are used safely, particularly regarding entry and exit, especially for children.”
In short, roof tents are allowed on campsites that take tents and also allow cars on tent pitches.
I hope this clears things up. And for the record, really cool set up you’ve got there! If you are ever unsure whether your outfit will be acceptable on site, I would suggest calling the site first to double check.
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“Roof tents are acceptable on Club Sites as ‘ancillary accommodation’ i.e. as extra sleeping space in support of a caravan or motorhome which is the
primary accommodation. They may be used as primary accommodation only on Sites open for tent camping in general, and where vehicles are permitted on a tent pitch.Do we, the members, want this changed.. I do.
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Yes, let's change it so that roof tents, tailgate awnings etc are accepted as primary accommodation as is done by C&CC who obviously are more open minded. This might help fill sites at quieter times.
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If the tent pitches allow vehicles, yes that's correct Husky
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So it has nothing whatsoever to do with privacy as stated by the warden, it is to do with semantics about unit type?
Seems crazy when a pop top which is just a van with a tent top is fine, especially as Dan's landrover has a fold down bed inside which is surely the 'primary accomodation' just the same as a fold out bed in a pop top camper or a smaller motorhome.
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Hi DanWhite,
The official stance on roof tents like your outfit is as follows:
“Roof tents are acceptable on Club Sites as ‘ancillary accommodation’ i.e. as extra sleeping space in support of a caravan or motorhome which is the primary accommodation. They may be used as primary accommodation only on Sites open for tent camping in general, and where vehicles are permitted on a tent pitch. Responsibility rests with the owner to ensure they are used safely, particularly regarding entry and exit, especially for children.”
In short, roof tents are allowed on campsites that take tents and also allow cars on tent pitches.
I hope this clears things up. And for the record, really cool set up you’ve got there! If you are ever unsure whether your outfit will be acceptable on site, I would suggest calling the site first to double check.
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Thanks for obtaining clarification Rochelle. Now let's hope that they don't shoot the messenger. You deserve better
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Hey, Jenny, please credit us with some common sense. We all know that Rochelle doesn't make the rules. I'm sure we also appreciate the fact that she found the info for us.
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Of course Rochelle is doing her job, and all credit to her for responding so quickly.
No surprise to me that the roof tent element is a step too far for the CC. However, as the OP pointed out very clearly, his LR does in fact have a fold out berth, and integrated washing, cooking and food storage inside his LR ( much as our unconventional
vehicle did, and very much as many other camper vans in fact have.) So, the next question is, can he use his vehicle on a pitch, if he uses only the camper van element and not the roof tent?Please bear in mind that this member did just this for years, a very long time ago, but not until after much huffing and puffing by the Club.
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I'm pretty sure that's a 'no' on the first count, Nicko, and it's definitely a 'no' on the second.
Non-standard conversions are permitted if they meet certain criteria as was detailed earlier in the thread and such outfits are nothing to do with NCC. The commercial vehicle and sign written rule has been dropped as was clarified for us only the other day.
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I'm pretty sure that's a 'no' on the first count, Nicko, and it's definitely a 'no' on the second.
Non-standard conversions are permitted if they meet certain criteria as was detailed earlier in the thread and such outfits are nothing to do with NCC. The commercial vehicle and sign written rule has been dropped as was clarified for us only the other day.
thanks for that i should really pay more attention,but thats what you get when you dont do your homework
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vans with signwriting all over them sending out the wrong image of club sites
What is the 'wrong image' then? Someone who works for a living and uses their van as a tow vehicle by choice or necessity.....oh how terribly wrong!
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Apparently camouflaged tow vehicles are allowed too, but I've never seen one
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If they didn't like the vehicle owned by the OP, I wonder what they'd make of this one seen at Coniston Hall Camp Site recently.
We've seen similar on a couple of CC sites, Altnahara and Dolaucothi Estate. Also one similar to the OP's on the C&CC's Sandringham site.
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Let's be honest though. It's never going to win a concours de elegance.
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vans with signwriting all over them sending out the wrong image of club sites
What is the 'wrong image' then? Someone who works for a living and uses their van as a tow vehicle by choice or necessity.....oh how terribly wrong!
dont think the van with sign writing on that just stole all the seating and upholstery from my van actually work for a living,they just help themselves to other peoples equipment or is that perfectly allright(as seen by cctv)
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Of course Rochelle is doing her job, and all credit to her for responding so quickly.
No surprise to me that the roof tent element is a step too far for the CC. However, as the OP pointed out very clearly, his LR does in fact have a fold out berth, and integrated washing, cooking and food storage inside his LR ( much as our unconventional
vehicle did, and very much as many other camper vans in fact have.) So, the next question is, can he use his vehicle on a pitch, if he uses only the camper van element and not the roof tent?Please bear in mind that this member did just this for years, a very long time ago, but not until after much huffing and puffing by the Club.
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The CCs decision states that the "primary" accommodation must be in the vehicle. Which means that if the tent is used in preference to the fold down bunk then it's non compliant. However if the fold down bunk is used without the tent, then on that occasion
it is compliant and can stay on the site. I don't find the CCs statement to be unclear or ambiguous (whether I agree with it or not - do see my earlier post mentioning festival vehicles). Where things start to get a bit silly is when people start to look for
cracks in the CCs decision. The sentiment communicated by Rochelle is clear and reflects the style of leisure vehicle which the CC has decided that it wishes to support. We all have a choice of clubs to join if we don't like a particular club's rulings. Out
of interest vehicles of the OPs type were used extensively for Goodwood's Festival of Speed support crews when we were last there.0
