Honda CRV 1.6 diesel. Anyone tried it?
Hi, we currently tow with a CRV 2.2 dtec and it is great, so when it is time to change we want same again BUT...
Since 2015 Honda's biggest Diesel engine in the CRV is 1.6, but on paper, it has the same torque, horsepower is 160 (our 2.2 is 150), and same generous 100kg nose weight. The mpg is much better (on paper).
Has anyone towed with the new one? We are interested to know whether in reality the new 1.6 matches up to our 2.2 engine?
Look forward to hearing from someone!
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Others will take delight in shooting me down, but whilst I accept that the new breed of engines do deliver similar, or in some cases higher power than the older engines, I remain unconvinced that they will continue do it into mid life, with say 40-50,000 miles on the clock. By their very nature they must be more highly stressed than the bigger and slower engines. Happy to be proved wrong on this, but until then I wont go below two & a half litres, and, preferably Three!
TF
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Thanks tigerfish, this is what we are wondering, it sounds too good to be true that a 1.6 can tow like a 2.2.
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Agreed with TG, though the power & longevity of modern cars is far superior to that of old ... just think of those Jaguars you sold years ago Brian, 5.3litre V12 with not much more power than your 3.0 ML has now. But .... you should always aim for more cylinders
than doors
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Hi
We've got the 1.6 idtec auto.
Tows fine. We tow around 1265kg with a noseweight of 75/80kg. Starts ok on hills. Going up hills can use the paddles to drop a gear if needed. Compares well to our previous 2.2 RAV4.
Economy wise it had reurned between 32-35mpg.
Just a brief report. Any specific info required then please ask and I'll try to answer the best I can.
Thanks
Peter
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You can't apply the old addage that bigger is better. With CI engines (Diesel's) the common rail technology has made vast improvements in engine efficency. In my workig life a Cummins 5.9 engine rated at 130 bhp was replaced with a twin cam 4.5 that delivered
170 bhp and better MPG. I worked in the public transport industry (London Buses) and reliabilty and engine longevity was expected.I currently have a 4 cylinder 2.2 Freelander that is rated at 190bhp, prior to this I had a Diesel 2.7, V6 Peugeot that was rated at 210 bhp, the Freelander is as capable as the Peugeot was.
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You can't apply the old addage that bigger is better. With CI engines (Diesel's) the common rail ....
I currently have a 4 cylinder 2.2 Freelander that is rated at 190bhp, prior to this I had a Diesel 2.7, V6 Peugeot that was rated at 210 bhp, the Freelander is as capable as the Peugeot was.
Don't see why not
The Freelander is still 2 cylinders short, but I think that might be outweighed by the fact that the Peugeot is French
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You can't apply the old addage that bigger is better. With CI engines (Diesel's) the common rail ....
I currently have a 4 cylinder 2.2 Freelander that is rated at 190bhp, prior to this I had a Diesel 2.7, V6 Peugeot that was rated at 210 bhp, the Freelander is as capable as the Peugeot was.
Don't see why not
The Freelander is still 2 cylinders short, but I think that might be outweighed by the fact that the Peugeot is French
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Sorry my mistake, Just using my 40 years in the motor repair trade, Knowledge, expirence and qualifications to form an opinion
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Sorry my mistake, Just using my 40 years in the motor repair trade, Knowledge, expirence and qualifications to form an opinion
Please take note of the smilies ... life's not that serious ....
apart from French cars 
(I've
personal financial experience of one of them) & I've mech qualifications too
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Sorry my mistake, Just using my 40 years in the motor repair trade, Knowledge, expirence and qualifications to form an opinion
Please take note of the smilies ... life's not that serious ....
apart from French cars (I've
personal financial experience of one of them) & I've mech qualifications tooWrite your comments here...Please note I put 3 simlely faces, the trouble with forums is sometimes the way it's written/intended is not how it reads by others
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I spent many years in the Motor trade too. And I will bet that a big lazy low revving old engine will still be delivering its power long after the new highly stressed little engines have long since gone to that huge scrapyard in the sky!
There is no substitute for cylinders and CC's.
TF
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Thanks for the replies, especially the one from Hatter, who actually has the CRV we were asking about, and finds that it is a great tow car.
Thanks everyone
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The OP asked a sensible question, and yet again it is scorned on by those who think that in no way would a 1.6 be anywhere near as good as a 2.2 without ever actually drving the vehicle in question.
We have a 2.2cdti CR-V, and while on holiday in Cornwall this year, the pitch next to us was empty. One afternoon, a 2016 model CR-V turned up pulling a big twin axle Swift. On striking up a conversation with them, I asked if their CR-V had the new 1.6 engine, and it did. I then asked what they thought of it. He told me that it is better than his previous 2.2idtech CR-V. It pulls just as well if not better, and the MPG was also better, he was well pleased with it
His was the 1.6 (160bhp) manual version, and his son-in-law had also bought one after driving his. He also said it was a lot smoother and quieter than the old 2.2.
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I spent many years in the Motor trade too. And I will bet that a big lazy low revving old engine will still be delivering its power long after the new highly stressed little engines have long since gone to that huge scrapyard in the sky!
There is no substitute for cylinders and CC's.
TF
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I have a 43 year old classic car which is a 3L V8 DOHC that is 145 BHP, it still makes circa that as I rebuilt the engine at 73K miles. I also have the LR that is a 4 cylinder 2.2 diesel rated at 190 bhp. this car will easily reach 200K miles and still
perform well unlike the V8, technology has changed things vastly. Closer tolererances in the engine better lubricants all make this possible. People happily buy newish cars now with well over 100K miles on them because it has been proven over time that they
are still reliable and perform as they are meant to.Like I said, with CI engines and the introduction of common rail, efficency is vastly improved. this is achieved by being able to have injection pressures in excess of 2000 Bar and it's not uncommon to have 3 injection phases (Pre, Main & post) injection
per cycle couple this to a modern 6,7 or 8 speed gearbox and you get the best of both worlds. Smaller engines that perform better than the older, larger ones and also returm decent MPG. At the maximum legal speed limits, my 2.2 LR (with a 1400kg caravan
attached ) is running at 1500 rpm in top gear, does not drop any speed on an incline and pulls away just as quick as it would solo.0 -
Thanks Pontyboy. Good to know that people are finding the new engine performs well. And thank you to people who are explaining why new engines are different and/or better.
We would of course test drive, but you can't tow your van on a test drive, so these replies from owners are helpful.
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Thanks Pontyboy. Good to know that people are finding the new engine performs well. And thank you to people who are explaining why new engines are different and/or better.
We would of course test drive, but you can't tow your van on a test drive, so these replies from owners are helpful.
Why can't you tow on a test drive?
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Surely it would be very unusual for a 'demonstrator' to be fitted with a towbar. Have never come across it anyway. Plus it would be a lot of 'faff' taking caravan to car dealer, sorting number plates etc etc.
If we are happy with the car solo, and other members are towing fine with it, that is enough for us.
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If its a demonstrator it can go out on trade plates. Front & rear of the unit.
As it has a towbar a number plate would be made up for the car surely?
If you are buying a tow car, particulary new as the CRV is, and at considerable cost a test drive towing is a given surely. The manufacturers will have vehicles in their fleet for dealers to call upon with towbars. If a dealer can't facilitate a test drive
with a towbar move on to another dealer. You are the customer after all.I'm looking at options on the car currently. Have a test drive with a Merc GLE with towbar as arranged with the dealer, as part of the discussions on options. They want my busines they have to earn it. When the new Disco 5 is available the local dealer has
a towbar equipped car on his demo build list due to the number of requests from attendees at the recent launch event they held.The CC are promoting the Volvo XC90 offer, the local dealer knows to arrange a towbar equipped car. Bit silly to expect a customer to spend without trying it first surely? Bit of a clue there, why would a CC member want a test without a tow?
Or maybe as new caravanner acceptance of near enough is good enough doesn't wash. Another old adage that is appropriate 'don't ask don't get'
As found when towing with a hired Disco 4, despite lots of D4's used for towing caravans, it was twitchy in camparison to my S Klasse towing my caravan, so is not an option, hence why when the D5 demo is available a test tow will be available.
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A towing demo drive would of course only be of limited use, depending on where you live. In many parts of the country it is difficult to find much of a hill without driving considerable distances. The other thing is, as most demo cars are new, it is difficult
to gauge what they will be like as tow vehicles once they have a few thousand on the clock. Both the two X Trails I have owned have improved with age.0 -
I am a bit late to this discussion but maybe my comments will be helpful.
I have had the new 1.6l diesel with 9-speed auto gearbox for nearly a year now, and am extremely pleased with it. Have done 10,000 miles including a 2,000 mile round-trip to south of France, and solo and towing in this country.
I can't detect any difference in performance to the 2.2l (manual) I had previously. Mostly when towing on the motorway it just chugs along with the cruise control on, I just steer and watch the countryside go by! I use S-mode when towing (as opposed to D) as this keeps the revs higher which I think is preferable when it is under load. D-mode tends to change up too soon, which I think leads to the engine labouring, even though the handbook recommends using D-mode when towing. Towing at 55-60 mph on the motorway, the engine is doing just over 2000 rpm, and it stays like this most of the time, up hill and down dale. Using D-mode, it tends to stay in a higher gear, being reluctant to change down when I think it should.
On steeper hills and when overtaking I sometimes change down manually, as even in S-mode the auto-box seems to focus on fuel economy, but I return to auto-mode afterwards.
Off the motorway the engine performs fine, has all the power I want, with or without the caravan.
The auto box keeps the engine revs low, and it rarely gets up to 2,500 rpm, and much of the time is below 2000 rpm., It was only recently that I pushed it up to 3,000rpm when getting a bit enthusiastic!
At this stage I can't say anything about longevity: low-revving should be good in this respect, but obviously it is a more stressed engine. I took the view when buying it that if Honda is doing this, they will do it right. Time will tell ...
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> Just following the posts on this subject, what type of gearbox does the new CRV 8 speed auto use.
It is a 9-speed. AIUI it is a ZF 9HP, a 9-speed with torque converter and lockup clutch.
Some information here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZF_9HP_transmissionhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZF_9HP_transmission
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Asha,
What type of caravan are you pulling and what weight have you loaded it to?
I see on a direct comparison with your 2.2 you have not become aware of any difference in performance but is the engine just as quiet as the 2.2.
Your comment will be much appreciated. We tow with a 2.2, now just reached its 4th birthday with only 18500 miles done, so I am not just ready to change yet but of course every time I take it for service the sales manager tries to persuade me to change. I think he wants my car.
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I can't really detect any difference in noise levels. It is a bit noisy on startup and at low speeds, but I don't think this is any worse than many other diesels.
As I said, we had a 2,000 mile round trip in France and my memory is that it was all very relaxed.
The only time I notice any noise (and it isn't great) is if I push it, eg up steep hills, overtaking. Usually when revs are above 2,500.
But the auto gearbox keeps it mostly below this - I used to rev the precious manual 2.2 above this, but maybe it wasn't always necessary. The new engine is noticeably more flexible.
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I forgot to answer the question from Ardsboy11 above about the caravan.
I tow a Bailey Orion MGW 1247Kg, but usually not loaded to this, probably around 1200Kg max.
Just towed around 100 miles down the M5, very relaxed, didn't notice any noise. In fact listened to the (DAB) radio without problem, which hasn't been the case with vehicles I have had in the past.
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Not particularly relevant to the Honda discussion but Nissan have just caught up with customer demand and are offering a 2.00 litre engine option in the X-Trail. We have towed for five years with a a Qashqai 2.00 4X4 automatic - brilliant tow car - and are now considering a swap to the X-Trail 2.00 with CVT. Many people suggest that it is unwise to two with a CVT box but my thoughts are that Nissan are hardly likely to promote this option as a tow vehicle (see current club offer of 15% discount and free tow bar) unless they have tested it comprehensively. We are awaiting the arrival of the demo car at our local dealer.
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