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  • TimJim
    TimJim Forum Participant Posts: 162
    edited November 2016 #32

    Notta lot ..Most of the time MM..but I use them all the time when towing....Subaru  have had paddles for their autos for years.....

    Tj 

  • EmilysDad
    EmilysDad Forum Participant Posts: 8,973
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    edited November 2016 #33

    Notta lot ..Most of the time MM..but I use them all the time when towing....Subaru  have had paddles for their autos for years.....

    Tj 

    My question was relating to what are they physically doing. As the name suggests a CVT is a constantly variable transmission, ie no specific gears as in any other gearbox. I know that Audi incorporate some electrickery into their CVT gearbox to give the
    effect of a gear change. I can only think that the flappy paddles do the same. Other than DAF type, rubber band cvt drives at work, I've only driven one cvt car ie a Fiesta from years ago, and it was 'different'. I can only think that others thought the same
    as Ford didn't make them for long.

  • Qashqai66
    Qashqai66 Forum Participant Posts: 551
    edited November 2016 #34

    The xtrail has a cvt with "fixed" ratios enabling some manual control.

  • TimJim
    TimJim Forum Participant Posts: 162
    edited November 2016 #35

    MM....There are 7 virtual ratios thar are selectable via the paddles.....the cvt  will always down shift if you coast to a halt for example.. but will only shift up if asked or selected. This allows you keep the engine spinning at the optimum revs or max
    torque point.....When the van is on clearly the extra weight needs to be accommodated and I believe the choice of when to alter the engine speed/power/torque etc is of benefit to the driver. Slippery surfaces are much easier to overcome in the right range
    in a similar way to a conventional manual. Of course you can sit back select X mode and do nowt if you want.

    Tj

  • bajillettt
    bajillettt Forum Participant Posts: 14
    edited November 2016 #36

    I have a Jaguar Auto with the pop up controll the same as the range rover it is so easy to use turn it right untill it stops thats D push down turn right thats S it is like using a high quality stereo controll no effort and simple to use

    Easiest auto i have ever used never mind the paddles on the steering wheel just incase i want to play

     

  • xtrailman
    xtrailman Forum Participant Posts: 559
    edited November 2016 #37

    It can't be easier than pushing a lever backwards and forwards, manual override is also a doddle, just a pull to the right from drive then backwards and forwards.

    With the assurance that the control will never fail to pop up.

  • Qashqai66
    Qashqai66 Forum Participant Posts: 551
    edited November 2016 #38

    I will stay with a lever and thanks for comments and opinions.

  • Milothedog
    Milothedog Forum Participant Posts: 1,433
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    edited November 2016 #39

    I have been following this thread as it's interesting seeing  the views some have on this. As already said even a lever type is only operating an electrical switch. and as such could fail, and the lever is usually locked in park by a soleliod until you press
    the brake pedal.to complicate things even more, so really the Jag/LR system is much the same.I understand its just indivulal likes and dislikes though.

    As an aside I have worked all my life in the motor trade, manily on HGV's & PSV's for the last 30 years. one Bus manufacture still build buses for Las Vagas and they still insist on the big lever the driver reaches across to, to pull and open the doors.
    That lever operates a very complicated Electronic/Air operated system. the lever is just what they like are are used toCool

    So what about electric park brakes V's levers with a RatchetHappy

  • Navigateur
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    edited November 2016 #40

    I recall many years ago driving a bus with a pre-selector gear box.  A substantial gear shift with the usual gates arrangement located on the column, where one selected the next required gear but the box did not change until one pressed the clutch.

  • Qashqai66
    Qashqai66 Forum Participant Posts: 551
    edited November 2016 #41

    I recall many years ago driving a bus with a pre-selector gear box.  A substantial gear shift with the usual gates arrangement located on the column, where one selected the next required gear but the box did not change until one pressed the clutch.

    Write your comments here...I remember Daimler cars with it in the 1950's.

  • EmilysDad
    EmilysDad Forum Participant Posts: 8,973
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    edited November 2016 #42

    I recall many years ago driving a bus with a pre-selector gear box.  A substantial gear shift with the usual gates arrangement located on the column, where one selected the next required gear but the box did not change until one pressed the clutch.

    Write your comments here...I remember Daimler cars with it in the 1950's.

    Lanchesters had the same set up ..... so my Dad tells me ... waaaay before my time Wink

  • Qashqai66
    Qashqai66 Forum Participant Posts: 551
    edited November 2016 #43

    Yes I can remember seeing it on the Lanchester too. As a ten year old I was fascinated by cars and new all the different specs. The Daimler and Lanchester are a far cry from the Tiguan or CX5 I am considering. CX5 gaining favour in my
    mind on account of TC transmission and slightly larger load carrying capacity.

  • flatcoat
    flatcoat Forum Participant Posts: 1,571
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    edited November 2016 #44

    Bear in mind the CX5 is due for replacement next year, just launched in the US. The dealers should be doing deals, if not I would wait for the new model. The Tiguan is however brand new and larger than the outgoing model - assuming you are buying new?! What about waiting for the new Skoda Kodjac?

  • cyberyacht
    cyberyacht Forum Participant Posts: 10,218
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    edited November 2016 #45

    Does it come with a free lollipop?

  • Qashqai66
    Qashqai66 Forum Participant Posts: 551
    edited November 2016 #46

    Did not know about new Skoda. Thanks.

  • tigerfish
    tigerfish Forum Participant Posts: 1,362
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    edited November 2016 #47

    Yes, Navigateur, when I was selling Jags back in the 60's we also held the Daimler and Lanchester marques too, so I had to drive them often. didnt like them one bit!

    Today my Merc ML has a large gear selector stalk on the right hand side of the steering column ( Probably a hang over from changing from left to right hand drive).  But it also has "flappy paddles"    I use the normal Torque Converter gear box for 99% of the time, but the flappy paddles are very useful on steep decents when you want to use engine braking, especially when towing.  The paddles are also useful when towing on occasions when you want more control over the box such as in hilly terrain.

    TF

  • xtrailman
    xtrailman Forum Participant Posts: 559
    edited November 2016 #48

     ..... I suspect the engineers at VW have reasons for choosing DSG. ....

    Fuel economy .... simple as that, no slush box auto sapping power. And maybe a nano second gearchange for those that want to be Lewis H

    Like Dave, I'm not a fan of automated manuals, not because I've read reviews of them from my armchair, but because I've driven a DSG & drive an automated manual every day. I tow though with a 'proper' torque convertor auto.

    Write your comments here...I suspect it is all down to personal opinion.  My Qashqai has a torque converter tranmission which is superb and I love it.  I have driven many miles in my daughter's nine year old Tiguan with the six speed DSG and enjoy driving
    it just as much.  yes, the feel is different but that does not bother me and the gear changes are smooth.

    Write your comments here...Being another armchair hero i notice most Qashqai autos are CVT.

    So what year is yours with a TC auto?

  • Qashqai66
    Qashqai66 Forum Participant Posts: 551
    edited November 2016 #49

    Mine is a 2011 model before they changed to cvt. It is also much heavier than the current model and with a greater permitted towing weight.

  • xtrailman
    xtrailman Forum Participant Posts: 559
    edited November 2016 #50

    Mine is a 2011 model before they changed to cvt. It is also much heavier than the current model and with a greater permitted towing weight.

    Write your comments here...Have you tested a modern CVT, i was considering testing the new xtrail in auto, but i get varying information about them.

  • Qashqai66
    Qashqai66 Forum Participant Posts: 551
    edited November 2016 #51

    I like the look of the xtrail but it is larger than we need and the replacement Qashqai is too light.

  • Qashqai66
    Qashqai66 Forum Participant Posts: 551
    edited November 2016 #52

    Xtrail larger than we need and new Qashqai too light.

  • kentman
    kentman Forum Participant Posts: 147
    edited November 2016 #53

    Sorry if this comes across as a bit unsympathetic but I don't understand what all the fuss is about.  As a car enthusiast, I own a Discovery Sport (auto with round knob), a Jaguar XK8 (auto with a lever) and an MGF (manual) + I drive my wife's Saab (auto
    with a lever) and they are all equally easy to use.  By the time I've reversed out of the drive, I've adapted to whichever I'm in.  As far as flappy paddles are concerned, I sometimes use them when towing but virtually never solo.  If people decide on what
    car to by on the basis of whether it has a knob or a lever for the auto 'box, I think they need to get out more!  (Sorry).