BMW X5 Factory fit towbar

Harris550
Harris550 Forum Participant Posts: 31
edited September 2016 in Towcars & Towing #1

I'm about to order a new BMW X5 with a manufacturer fitted towbar. Will the tow ball itself need to be compatible with our Elddis on an Alko chassis, what will i need to specify? Has anyone else got an X5 with a factory fit tow bar what is your experience? Also, how do they find it as a tow car? Thanks in advance.

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  • nicday
    nicday Forum Participant Posts: 15
    edited September 2016 #2

    I don't have a X5 but a 535d touring, they are the same factory fit balls and they are swan neck and will fit an Alko.

     

     

  • Lutz
    Lutz Forum Participant Posts: 1,564 ✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2016 #3

    Factory fitted towbars are always swan neck, of which there is only one model specific version.

    I have an X4 with a factory fitted towbar and that is most certainly AlKo compatible.

  • NutsyH
    NutsyH Forum Participant Posts: 534
    edited September 2016 #4

    I had an X5 with a factory electric towbar until May. Fine with Alko, but put in sriting to your dealer that they must wire up for all 13 pins. The German manufacturers normally ony wire 7 pins.

     It ost me £500 to have mine wired correctly, which BMW refunded because I had the original instruction in writing.

  • rogerwyn
    rogerwyn Forum Participant Posts: 63
    edited September 2016 #5

    No problem with the factory fitted bar on my x5  or the electrics, one of the best tow cars I ever had even better than the disco I had, loads of power and very comfortable, the only down side about 20/22 mpg towing, 

  • Harris550
    Harris550 Forum Participant Posts: 31
    edited September 2016 #6

    Thanks all for your feedback.

  • semedler
    semedler Forum Participant Posts: 21
    edited October 2016 #7

    I have an X3 with factory fold away towbar, note that BMW do not wire for fridge and battery charging.

  • CraigW
    CraigW Forum Participant Posts: 35
    edited October 2016 #8

    Hi Harris 550 we have a x5 with the factory electric tow bar  and it fits perfectly and is a fantastic tow car, also I am  a senior BMW tech and no BMW factory tow bar comes wired for battery and fridge, you would need the twin electrics fitting at the dealership 

  • EmilysDad
    EmilysDad Forum Participant Posts: 8,973
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    edited October 2016 #9

     ..... and no BMW factory tow bar comes wired for battery and fridge, you would need the twin electrics fitting at the dealership 

    Even if you want a 13 pin socket? Laughing It must surely be possible to order what you want from BMW and not whatthey want to supply

  • CraigW
    CraigW Forum Participant Posts: 35
    edited October 2016 #10

    Hi mollysmummy

    For  some reason Bmw do not let you spec twin electrics from the factory on any of there cars which does cause some trouble with customers 

  • EmilysDad
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    edited October 2016 #11

    Hi mollysmummy

    For  some reason Bmw do not let you spec twin electrics from the factory on any of there cars which does cause some trouble with customers 

    Cos Euro haven't used 12N & 12S for years .... I was referring to a fully wired 13 pin. The 13pin OE loom I bought for my Vauxhall a few years back had plug & play lighting, but the fridge & charging side needed to be wired up seperately ..... nothing that
    would be beyond a tame tech Wink

  • CraigW
    CraigW Forum Participant Posts: 35
    edited October 2016 #12

    Bmw don't make anything easy Wink

  • EmilysDad
    EmilysDad Forum Participant Posts: 8,973
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    edited October 2016 #13

    Bmw don't make anything easy Wink

    It must be a German thing   ...... neither does Mercedes Wink

  • Harris550
    Harris550 Forum Participant Posts: 31
    edited October 2016 #14

    Hi Craig. Since i ordered it, the salesman come back to me asking if i wanted power to the fridge. Guessing it must be possible hence why he asked the question? Looking forward to towing with it.

  • CraigW
    CraigW Forum Participant Posts: 35
    edited October 2016 #15

    Hi Harris 550 maybe you can spec it now  but it's news to me unless your dealer will fit it for you as part of your deal either way you get what you need.

    im sure you'll be pleased with it when you collect it 

  • EmilysDad
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    edited October 2016 #16

    Hi Harris 550 maybe you can spec it now  but it's news to me unless your dealer will fit it for you as part of your deal either way you get what you need.

    im sure you'll be pleased with it when you collect it 

    I can't see why you can have a fully wired 13 pin socket, either fully wired by BMW at the factory ...... or at the very least if the connectors are not in the MBW socket to wired up, then cut it off & start a fresh with another. I'm sure that if Vauxhall can supply a 13 pin wired socket for a car that had been out of production a number of years atthe time, then a brand that likes to portray itself as a premium brand can manage to do the same

  • CraigW
    CraigW Forum Participant Posts: 35
    edited October 2016 #17

    That's what we have to do cut socket off the factory loom and fit the new loom to existing loom and then wire in the extra wires for fridge etc, 

  • EmilysDad
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    edited October 2016 #18

    That's what we have to do cut socket off the factory loom and fit the new loom to existing loom and then wire in the extra wires for fridge etc, 

    Some one needs to take BMW hierarchy to one side Innocent 

  • hitchglitch
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    edited October 2016 #19

    On the continent I don't  believe that they understand the concept of supplying the fridge and battery charger from the car, after all, their caravans often don't even have a battery (nor did ours in earlier times). At least BMW now understand how to do
    the wiring and our X5 is fine but with my first 5 series I had to give them a wiring diagram. It took the dealer some time to sort it out with the factory in Germany. They were worried because it turned out that they knew of ways that the car alarm could be
    defeated via the 13 pin DIN plug.

  • EmilysDad
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    edited October 2016 #20

    On the continent I don't  believe that they understand the concept of supplying the fridge and battery charger from the car, after all, their caravans often don't even have a battery (nor did ours in earlier times). At least BMW now understand how to do
    the wiring and our X5 is fine but with my first 5 series I had to give them a wiring diagram. It took the dealer some time to sort it out with the factory in Germany. They were worried because it turned out that they knew of ways that the car alarm could be
    defeated via the 13 pin DIN plug.

    If the continent don't use fridge or battery charging, why would they have developed a 13 pin plug/socket set up and not just improved the original 12N? 

  • holmesonwheels24
    holmesonwheels24 Forum Participant Posts: 148
    edited October 2016 #21

    When i bought my X3 (with factory fit t/bar and 13 pin socket) i explained to sales man that i wanted fridge and battery charging, he knew exactly what i was talking about and all worked fine from the off

    In the sales information booklet it did mention  (  alongside the towbar ) that a supplementary wiring kit was needed.

  • EmilysDad
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    edited October 2016 #22

    When i bought my X3 (with factory fit t/bar and 13 pin socket) i explained to sales man that i wanted fridge and battery charging, he knew exactly what i was talking about and all worked fine from the off

    In the sales information booklet it did mention  (  alongside the towbar ) that a supplementary wiring kit was needed.

     ...and that I think is the key, ie someone that knows rather than think they know

  • flatcoat
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    edited October 2016 #23

    Very helpful of BMW, more than VW provide...... By coincidence i perused teh latest VW accessory catalogue whilst waiting to check my car in for service today and whilst they make great play of their towbar kits being CANBUS wired, they say nowt about wiring
    for caravan towing. I had to have mine wired for fridge/battery charging albeit teh car was secondhand and the previous owner had paid for the (detachable) towbar.

  • Steve3
    Steve3 Forum Participant Posts: 29
    edited October 2016 #24

    Not knocking any manufacture or dealership,– tow bars, electrics, weights and caravans in general all appear to be off the radar of the ‘average’ sales person –unless you ‘screw him/her down’ - I know there is always an exception to the rule – but that
    normally applies to the sales person being a caravanner !

  • Lutz
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    edited October 2016 #25

    Hi mollysmummy

    For  some reason Bmw do not let you spec twin electrics from the factory on any of there cars which does cause some trouble with customers 

    Cos Euro haven't used 12N & 12S for years .... I was referring to a fully wired 13 pin. The 13pin OE loom I bought for my Vauxhall a few years back had plug & play lighting, but the fridge & charging side needed to be wired up seperately ..... nothing that
    would be beyond a tame tech Wink

    12N & 12S was never used on the Continent.

  • EmilysDad
    EmilysDad Forum Participant Posts: 8,973
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    edited October 2016 #26

    Hi mollysmummy

    For  some reason Bmw do not let you spec twin electrics from the factory on any of there cars which does cause some trouble with customers 

    Cos Euro haven't used 12N & 12S for years .... I was referring to a fully wired 13 pin. The 13pin OE loom I bought for my Vauxhall a few years back had plug & play lighting, but the fridge & charging side needed to be wired up seperately ..... nothing that
    would be beyond a tame tech Wink

    12N & 12S was never used on the Continent.

    They must've used a 12N as otherwise why would they have had the alternative 13 pin socket ie a 12N in the middle, with a row of spade connectors around it? Can't remember its name, but I saw one on the back of a Dutch car when I went to offer a hand after
    he'd damaged it

  • Hgv Gaz
    Hgv Gaz Forum Participant Posts: 28
    edited October 2016 #27

    I know it's not at BMW but I've ordered a new VW Tiguan which is German and have spoken to the dealer today he checked to make sure the 13 pin plug is wired to run the fridge and also it will charge the battery. He confirmed it does both.

  • Lutz
    Lutz Forum Participant Posts: 1,564 ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 2016 #28

    Hi mollysmummy

    For  some reason Bmw do not let you spec twin electrics from the factory on any of there cars which does cause some trouble with customers 

    Cos Euro haven't used 12N & 12S for years .... I was referring to a fully wired 13 pin. The 13pin OE loom I bought for my Vauxhall a few years back had plug & play lighting, but the fridge & charging side needed to be wired up seperately ..... nothing that
    would be beyond a tame tech Wink

    12N & 12S was never used on the Continent.

    They must've used a 12N as otherwise why would they have had the alternative 13 pin socket ie a 12N in the middle, with a row of spade connectors around it? Can't remember its name, but I saw one on the back of a Dutch car when I went to offer a hand after
    he'd damaged it

    THe 12N is still in use on the Continent. My trailer has a 12N plug. However, the 12S was never used.

    I think you must be referring to the 13 pin Jaeger socket which was compatible with the 12N but had 6 additional flat pin connections. It never really made the breakthrough in the market and more or less disappeared a couple of years after the true 13 pin
    version appeared.

  • EmilysDad
    EmilysDad Forum Participant Posts: 8,973
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    edited October 2016 #29

    Thanks Lutz ..... that's the one. Cool

  • BTHart
    BTHart Forum Participant Posts: 2
    edited January 2017 #30

    Hello please could you help, I am about to purchase a pre reg X3 and have just been told that I need to convert the 7 to 13 pin at some exterminate cost that we are currently in discussion with. My question however is the tow ball/bar ok for a caravan (swift with alko) and how do you find it as a towcar . thank you

  • GlosJive
    GlosJive Forum Participant Posts: 80
    edited February 2017 #31

    Had a big bust up with the Oxford dealership, specified the car was for towing a caravan, delivered in my opinion not fit for purpose.  But they refused to do anything about the fridge wiring.

    Wired myself with parts supplied by the Cheltenham dealership FOC, took an hour.

    Not be going back to the Oxford garage again.