Kia or something else, appricate comments

JimmySalop
JimmySalop Forum Participant Posts: 9
edited September 2016 in Towcars & Towing #1

Hi guys.

We need something that ticks all these boxes...

Able to tow 2 ton

Less than 30k on the clock

Must be able to do 35+ mpg (empty)

Have 7 seats

And be less than £22,000

The thing I have found is a Kia KX3 or 4

Don't fancy a Santa Fa.

Any thoughts ?

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  • Runrig
    Runrig Forum Participant Posts: 186
    edited September 2016 #2

    If the Kia ticks all your boxes, why not?

  • JimmySalop
    JimmySalop Forum Participant Posts: 9
    edited September 2016 #3

    If the Kia ticks all your boxes, why not?

    That is the question, is there anything else out there ?

    Anyone comment on the Kia that HAS ONE ??

    Write your comments here...

  • cycletourleader
    cycletourleader Forum Participant Posts: 5
    edited September 2016 #4

    I have a Santa Fe, they're essentially the same car and same parent company! It's a fantastic tow car, transports 7 easily and very versatile

  • JVB66
    JVB66 Forum Participant Posts: 22,892
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    edited September 2016 #5

    non of the kia/hyundi stable is heavey enough to tow two tons,as the kerbweight is not there,we have a KX2 

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited September 2016 #6

    That's a pretty big ask. Sad

  • JimmySalop
    JimmySalop Forum Participant Posts: 9
    edited September 2016 #7

    non of the kia/hyundi stable is heavey enough to tow two tons,as the kerbweight is not there,we have a KX2 

    The Kia's can tow two ton.

     

  • JVB66
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    edited September 2016 #8

    non of the kia/hyundi stable is heavey enough to tow two tons,as the kerbweight is not there,we have a KX2 

    The Kia's can tow two ton.

     

    ...A lot of makers say cars can "tow"2 tons but that is not the weight that if you are pulled in for a roadside check will be accepted ,as its the gross train weight that is the legal maximum

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited September 2016 #9

    See this - 

    http://www.caravanclub.co.uk/advice-and-training/choosing-a-vehicle/choosing-a-towcar/tested-towcars/kia/kia-sorento-22-crdi-kx-3

    85% of KW = 1707kg but nose weight is only 80kg. I don't think all the models are the same.

    As JVB said, it's the GTW you need to be adhere to as a legal max and manufacturers will state the weight the car is capable of shifting irrespective of legal or safe limits.

     

     

  • JimmySalop
    JimmySalop Forum Participant Posts: 9
    edited September 2016 #10

    non of the kia/hyundi stable is heavey enough to tow two tons,as the kerbweight is not there,we have a KX2 

    The Kia's can tow two ton.

     

    ...A lot of makers say cars can "tow"2 tons but that is not the weight that if you are pulled in for a roadside check will be accepted ,as its the gross train weight that is the legal maximum

    So why if I got pulled in for a check would I be illegal ?

    I use a Kia Sorento 2005 and no issues and same as the Range Rover Sport, and that's heavy, I think 2 ton and the van puts me at 4 ton, I was told I can do that as I have a class 1

  • EmilysDad
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    edited September 2016 #11

     .... I was told I can do that as I have a class 1

    Holding a Class 1 doesn't stop you from exceeding the gross train weight for a car

  • JVB66
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    edited September 2016 #12

     

    ....

    non of the kia/hyundi stable is heavey enough to tow two tons,as the kerbweight is not there,we have a KX2 

    The Kia's can tow two ton.

     

    ...A lot of makers say cars can "tow"2 tons but that is not the weight that if you are pulled in for a roadside check will be accepted ,as its the gross train weight that is the legal maximum

    So why if I got pulled in for a check would I be illegal ?

    I use a Kia Sorento 2005 and no issues and same as the Range Rover Sport, and that's heavy, I think 2 ton and the van puts me at 4 ton, I was told I can do that as I have a class 1

    .I just quoted the gov.com website,which states on no account exceed the gross train weight..

  • JimmySalop
    JimmySalop Forum Participant Posts: 9
    edited September 2016 #13

    Must be a lot of illegal drivers out there pulling twin axle caravans.

    I tried to use the matching service on here but typical crapy caravan club site doesn't work correctly !!

     

  • JVB66
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    edited September 2016 #14

    Must be a lot of illegal drivers out there pulling twin axle caravans.

    I tried to use the matching service on here but typical crapy caravan club site doesn't work correctly !!

     

    ...Not if they are towed with a 3t transit pick upWink

    or as most are with a vehicle within the weight limit,Smile

  • JVB66
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    edited September 2016 #15

    Must be a lot of illegal drivers out there pulling twin axle caravans.

    I tried to use the matching service on here but typical crapy caravan club site doesn't work correctly !!

     

    ...What do you want to tow then?Undecided

  • JimmySalop
    JimmySalop Forum Participant Posts: 9
    edited September 2016 #16

    Must be a lot of illegal drivers out there pulling twin axle caravans.

    I tried to use the matching service on here but typical crapy caravan club site doesn't work correctly !!

     

    ...What do you want to tow then?Undecided

    A caravan that isn't 2 ton lol......

    I was told it was 1.8 empty and 2 ton loaded, but as I am new I took the guys word, just checked and it is 1.6 empty so 1.8 loaded I would guess.

    My 2005 Sorento is great, and a 2015 Range Rover Sport is crap !!   2 grand v 45 grand, the Kia wins !!

    This is why I thought I would get a newer one

  • EmilysDad
    EmilysDad Forum Participant Posts: 8,973
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    edited September 2016 #17

    Must be a lot of illegal drivers out there pulling twin axle caravans. ....

    Not all Wink ..... my 1600+kg twin axle is towed by a 2300 kg car .... GTW is getting on for 5 tons Laughing

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited September 2016 #18

    MM, I fear sometimes we just don't get through.

  • JVB66
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    edited September 2016 #19

    Must be a lot of illegal drivers out there pulling twin axle caravans.

    I tried to use the matching service on here but typical crapy caravan club site doesn't work correctly !!

     

    ...What do you want to tow then?Undecided

    A caravan that isn't 2 ton lol......

    I was told it was 1.8 empty and 2 ton loaded, but as I am new I took the guys word, just checked and it is 1.6 empty so 1.8 loaded I would guess.

    My 2005 Sorento is great, and a 2015 Range Rover Sport is crap !!   2 grand v 45 grand, the Kia wins !!

    This is why I thought I would get a newer one

    ...What van model is it ?and it should have a plate fitted usually near the door with the MRO/unladen weight and the MTPLM/max weight,the max weight is part of the train weght of your tow vehicle

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited September 2016 #20

    See this - 

    http://www.caravanclub.co.uk/advice-and-training/choosing-a-vehicle/choosing-a-towcar/tested-towcars/kia/kia-sorento-22-crdi-kx-3

    85% of KW = 1707kg but nose weight is only 80kg. I don't think all the models are the same.

    As JVB said, it's the GTW you need to be adhere to as a legal max and manufacturers will state the weight the car is capable of shifting irrespective of legal or safe limits.

     

     

    Write your comments here...

    non of the kia/hyundi stable is heavey enough to tow two tons,as the kerbweight is not there,we have a KX2 

    The Kia's can tow two ton.

     

    ...A lot of makers say cars can "tow"2 tons but that is not the weight that if you are pulled in for a roadside check will be accepted ,as its the gross train weight that is the legal maximum

    So why if I got pulled in for a check would I be illegal ?

    I use a Kia Sorento 2005 and no issues and same as the Range Rover Sport, and that's heavy, I think 2 ton and the van puts me at 4 ton, I was told I can do that as I have a class 1

    I explained it in my earlier post. I feel you need to do a bit of homework.

    Also, the new Sorento bears very little similarity to the 2005 model and you cannot compare the two.

  • EmilysDad
    EmilysDad Forum Participant Posts: 8,973
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    edited September 2016 #21

    MM, I fear sometimes we just don't get through.

    And a 'professional driver' too Innocent

  • JVB66
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    edited September 2016 #22

    MM, I fear sometimes we just don't get through.

    And a 'professional driver' too Innocent

    It does make one wonder..Undecided

  • heddlo
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    edited September 2016 #23

    I use a 2013 KX-2 manual to tow a twin axle with a MTPLM of 1800kg, though normally it runs at around 1700kg.  Great tow car, plenty of power, excellent stability and thoroughly recommended.  Kia give a 2500kg max towing limit, though that’s way above any
    normal recommendation for good outfit matching.  The auto versions can still tow 2000kg, so should be absolutely fine for 1800kg.  You might struggle to get 35mpg solo with an auto box, though the manual can manage that quite often on a long run.  Also, for
    £22000, you will be looking at a 2-3 year old car, and KX-4 is only on the latest model.

  • JVB66
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    edited September 2016 #24

    I use a 2013 KX-2 manual to tow a twin axle with a MTPLM of 1800kg, though normally it runs at around 1700kg.  Great tow car, plenty of power, excellent stability and thoroughly recommended.  Kia give a 2500kg max towing limit, though that’s way above any
    normal recommendation for good outfit matching.  The auto versions can still tow 2000kg, so should be absolutely fine for 1800kg.  You might struggle to get 35mpg solo with an auto box, though the manual can manage that quite often on a long run.  Also, for
    £22000, you will be looking at a 2-3 year old car, and KX-4 is only on the latest model.

    ..You can still only tow up to the gross train weight ,no matter what the manufacturer of the car says 

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited September 2016 #25

    That's the last time I'll be trying to help you, JimmyS. Sort it out for yourself!

  • Oneputt
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    edited September 2016 #26

    MM, I fear sometimes we just don't get through.

    And a 'professional driver' too Innocent

    Yes I hold a class one, don't use it to drive anymore 

    JS I've only  seen people trying to help you, I haven't observe any ranting.  You obviously have your own view so why seek advice when you don't like the answer that others are trying to impart?

  • Metheven
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    edited September 2016 #27

    It seems 'JS', the replies you have had are by people who know their weights, tow a rig safely, tow legally and replied in a helpful way regarding your question.

    You didn't like the answers so you throw a wobbly, how juvenile.

  • heddlo
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    edited September 2016 #28

    I use a 2013 KX-2 manual to tow a twin axle with a MTPLM of 1800kg, though normally it runs at around 1700kg.  Great tow car, plenty of power, excellent stability and thoroughly recommended.  Kia give a 2500kg max towing limit, though that’s way above any
    normal recommendation for good outfit matching.  The auto versions can still tow 2000kg, so should be absolutely fine for 1800kg.  You might struggle to get 35mpg solo with an auto box, though the manual can manage that quite often on a long run.  Also, for
    £22000, you will be looking at a 2-3 year old car, and KX-4 is only on the latest model.

    ..You can still only tow up to the gross train weight ,no matter what the manufacturer of the car says 

    To clarify, my KX-2 manual has a plated max laden weight of 2510kg, max train weight of 5010kg, and front/rear axle loadings of 1350/1450kg, so the max train weight is the sum of the max laden and max towing (2500kg).

  • jeffcc
    jeffcc Forum Participant Posts: 430
    edited September 2016 #29

    Why is it that people who post using asterixes instead of expletives think this is acceptable? As the words are still obvious and still just as offensiveSad. Use left and right arrows to navigate.

  • Bob2112
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    edited September 2016 #30

    Why is it that people who post using asterixes instead of expletives think this is acceptable? As the words are still obvious and still just as offensiveSad. Use left and right arrows to navigate.

    Write your comments here...You should have seen it before the edit last night.Surprised

  • flatcoat
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    edited September 2016 #31

    Can't believe what i have just read, what a pleasant individual.......NOT.....!! Shooting the messenger comes to mind, despite his thread title he clearly does NOT appreciate comments which disagree with his view. Leave him to his own devices, just hope when he has an accident it doesnt involve any innocent parties, however hopefully he will be pulled by the Police or VOSA before he gets chance to hurt anyone.