13 Pin Socket Wiring

OldPeculier
OldPeculier Forum Participant Posts: 3
edited March 2016 in Towcars & Towing #1

On my 13 pin socket pin number 10 for powering the fridge is energised when the ignition is turned on without starting the engine. On previous cars the fridge was not energised until the engine was running. I have queried this with the towbar installer (a
professional and accredited company) whose answer is pin 10 is ignition controlled because it is a dedicated wiring loom specific to my make and model of car. I am not convinced this is correct as it means the fridge is drawing power from the car battery before
and while starting the car. Has anyone else come across this. 

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  • EmilysDad
    EmilysDad Forum Participant Posts: 8,973
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    edited March 2016 #2

    I agree with you ... should be live when the engine is running for the reasons you give. I've used voltage sensing relays though they say more mobern CANbus cars have additional problems

  • OldPeculier
    OldPeculier Forum Participant Posts: 3
    edited March 2016 #3

    Hi Mollysmummy thanks for your reply. I guess now that I am aware I will limit the time I have the ignition on without the engine running eg when checking the lights on the caravan.

  • EmilysDad
    EmilysDad Forum Participant Posts: 8,973
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    edited March 2016 #4

    Hi Mollysmummy thanks for your reply. I guess now that I am aware I will limit the time I have the ignition on without the engine running eg when checking the lights on the caravan.

    I'd fit a relay just incase Laughing

  • JohnM20
    JohnM20 Forum Participant Posts: 1,416
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    edited March 2016 #5

    I've just had my Mondeo wired up with a dedicated wiring loom. Part of the kit is a voltage control module connected to pin 10 for the fridge. This is not live until the car's voltage output is 13.4 volts or above. But, if the engine is turned off, pin 10
    remains live until the battery voltage drops to approxiumately 12.7 volts

  • Navigateur
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    edited March 2016 #6

    Vehicles fitted with these infuriating engine stop/start systems to save seconds of emissions seem to support heated seats, heated screens, fan motors, main beam and goodness knows what else while the engine is stopped. Perhaps a fridge motor is insignificant
    amongs the other loads.

  • Whittakerr
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    edited March 2016 #7

    Vehicles fitted with these infuriating engine stop/start systems to save seconds of emissions seem to support heated seats, heated screens, fan motors, main beam and goodness knows what else while the engine is stopped. Perhaps a fridge motor is insignificant
    amongs the other loads.

    good point but on my car if the engine is in stop mode for any length of time it automatically starts up. There must be some sensor monitoring the battery condition.

  • commeyras
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    edited March 2016 #8

    I usually turn my stop/start off.  My car is an automatic and if I left it on I would never get round a roundabout where every milisecond is neded!  Sorry to stray off topic!

  • jeffcc
    jeffcc Forum Participant Posts: 430
    edited March 2016 #9

    It all depends on the manufacturer ( the problem with using a charge sensing relay on a modern vehicle with a smart charging system is that once the vehicle battery has enough charge the vehicle charging systems reduce output and not enough voltage is
    generated to activate the relay)
    if you are worried your battery will go flat while the vehicle is stopped on your stop start system then dont be, as the stop start systems are voltage sensitive and will restart the engine as soon as the voltage drops
    below a pre set level.

    However it is relatively easy to fit a voltage sensing relay inline to the fridge supply these only operate and allow current to pass once a pre set voltage level is reached.

    Jeffcc  LAE MIMI

  • OldPeculier
    OldPeculier Forum Participant Posts: 3
    edited March 2016 #10

    Thanks all for your replies. for info pin 10 voltage is zero with ignition off and 12 to 13 volts with ignition on then 13 to 14 volts when engine is running. The car is a 15 reg Skoda Yeti Outdoor model it is manual and does not have stop start. 

  • jeffcc
    jeffcc Forum Participant Posts: 430
    edited March 2016 #11

    Given the information you have just supplied OP i should not worry as long as you dont leave ignition on without engine running when van is connected as your average absorption fridge will draw between 8-10amps on 12volts

  • vendee06
    vendee06 Forum Participant Posts: 6
    edited March 2016 #12

    It might be your battery voltage is high enough to switch the control relay or the relay is set to low , most have adjustments for setting up switch voltage.

  • Tigi
    Tigi Forum Participant Posts: 1,038
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    edited March 2016 #13

    There are so many variations creeping into electrical systems  I have taken to switching off the fridge on longer ferry crossings, my current car now switches the permanent feed off after six hours (according to the handbook) 

  • DS3
    DS3 Forum Participant Posts: 108
    edited March 2016 #14

    Stop/start cars have sensors that sense all sorts of variables connected to the stop/start system. If it senses the battery is low the car will keep running, if it has stopped the engine and the battery voltage drops to a certain level the car will start
    again. On my car, an MY15 Volvo V70, the car will start up after 5 minutes regardless of battery voltage.

    I wouldn't add a relay into a dedicated wiring system.

     

     

     

  • oldebiker
    oldebiker Forum Participant Posts: 22
    edited March 2016 #15

    would it be posable to leave the fridge off if your journey isnt to far or the fridge is emty

  • oldebiker
    oldebiker Forum Participant Posts: 22
    edited March 2016 #16

    i ask the above as i have a volvo s60 but have not towed with it but will be in 2 weeks  thank you  ALAN