Government Road Tax Revisions

Scottie2
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edited March 2016 in Towcars & Towing #1

Am I right in saying the government were going to rehash the whole road tax rates upwards despite having lowered them drastically on low emission engines.

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  • cyberyacht
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    edited March 2016 #2

    AIUI, all those zero emission and low tax categories are being abolished wef from 2017 registrations and everything will have an annual VED of £180 or thereabouts IIRC. If youy want a little town car, buy it now. If you want a gas guzzler, hang on a bit.

  • tigerfish
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    edited March 2016 #3

    So my annual £490 May Go?  I do hope so.  Have had current waggon for 5 years now - from new. Its spotless and less than 60,000 miles but practically worthless due to its tax band.

    Will keep it now as its worth more to me than anyone else. Very good on fuel & tyres and being a V6 3 Litre very smooth. far better than the new small "Toy" engines of today!

    TF

  • Paul Rainbow
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    edited March 2016 #4

    Let's face it, we all knew it would happen sooner otrlater. I don't mind paying a sensible amount for RFL to be honest, and all this £10-a-year or no-tax-at-all just seemed unsustainable.

    Overview from Carbuyer HERE

     

     

  • Fozzie
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    edited March 2016 #5

    This is on new registrations from April 2017.So to put it in context my wife's new car is now £20 a year to tax.If I purchase the exact vehicle,engine size, and emissions etc after April 2017 the car tax will be £140.

    So as I understand it and I am in no way 100% certain of this.You could have two bandings of the same vehicle paying different road tax on the same emissions one before April 2017 and one after April 2017.

  • Watendlath
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    edited March 2016 #6
  • Watendlath
    Watendlath Forum Participant Posts: 232
    edited March 2016 #7

    By the way...All cars first registered before 1 April 2017 will remain in the current
    VED system, which will not change

  • tigerfish
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    edited March 2016 #8

    Oh dear, that change only makes mine and other's vehicls even less attractive and as a result worth less. It would appear that my five year old vehicle will still cost about £500 a year to tax but a new one will be less than £200??    The gap now so big
    it will never be crossed.

    TF

  • peegeenine
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    edited March 2016 #9

    As I read it (car buyer) TF your car will remain as it is but a new one could be £2000 for the first year before reverting to £140. If it cost more than £40000 then it would also be subject to a £350 supplement for 5 years.

    I wonder what will happen to motorhomes if the emmission figure isn't declared on the V55. That £40000 upper limit could be damaging if it applies. I am pleased that I am replacing my van this year and not next. Anyone thinking of a change may well want to
    consider this, and the possible 6 month wait if not in stock.

  • EmilysDad
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    edited March 2016 #10

    Oh dear, that change only makes mine and other's vehicls even less attractive and as a result worth less. It would appear that my five year old vehicle will still cost about £500 a year to tax but a new one will be less than £200??    The gap now so big
    it will never be crossed.

    TF

    That effectively is already the case. My R320 is the same as yours at c£500, the later R350 has lower emmisions (on paper at least) hence less to tax

  • Scottie2
    Scottie2 Forum Participant Posts: 226
    edited March 2016 #11

    So,my 2015 Mondeo currently £20 a year will stay at that after April 2017, is that correct and it's only on "brand new" vehicles bought after April 2017 that will be paying the £180

  • birderbilly
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    edited March 2016 #12

    So,my 2015 Mondeo currently £20 a year will stay at that after April 2017, is that correct and it's only on "brand new" vehicles bought after April 2017 that will be paying the £180

    yes and maybe

    yes your Mondeo will remain on the old (current) system

    and maybe remain at £20 but of course Boy George could choose to change all the rates on the old (current) system

  • tigerfish
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    edited March 2016 #13

    It all goes to show what folly it was ever to depart from the old system of just one annual charge which was the same across all types.

    Instead we now have a system which curtails proper development.  Has resulted in the fitting of "Toy Engines" to otherwise reasonable models, and a future problem to caravanning as decent "tuggers" dry up.

    I fully accept that the old system had its faults and that a decent fuel tax might have been a better way, but this current system is stupid.

    TF

  • Scottie2
    Scottie2 Forum Participant Posts: 226
    edited March 2016 #14

    I am all for a better environment but in the desperate rush by manufacturers to comply with emissions the D.P.F. Units fitted to a lot of diesels is a costly affair to owners. The change back to new rates for new cars just shows you what losses the government
    encountered by introducing the existing road tax rates. I also think that the deletion of tax discs must have made a huge increase in non payment of the annual charge as the shortfall once again lands on the law abiding ones who do pay and the shortfall  means
    less in the coffers for road maintenance.

  • cyberyacht
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    edited March 2016 #15

    Since when was VED used for road maintainence? It's just "another' tax.

  • JCB4X4
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    edited March 2016 #16

    Since when was VED used for road maintainence? It's just "another' tax.

    I have to agree that it is just another Tax but when it was introduced it was solely for the purpose of road building and maitainance:

    See:- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Road_Fund

    Alas Sad no-more !!!

  • EmilysDad
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    edited March 2016 #17

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Road_Fund

    So longer ago than even (most) members here can remember Innocent

  • Scottie2
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    edited March 2016 #18

    Well associations such as the AA and RAC would lead us to believe that road repairs, no matter how little, is funded by the road tax coffers.