Dual Mass Flywheel Issues

Scottjames1uk
Scottjames1uk Forum Participant Posts: 17
edited December 2015 in Towcars & Towing #1

Morning All

I bought a 4 berth caravan about a month ago and just upgraded my car to a 2.0 CDTI insignia manual gearbox. Upon reading (Probaby too much into it) Dual mass flywheels are a common issue on new cars. Have many of you had issues with DMF and how can the
risk be reduced. Is there a change in driving style to be had. Some people say towing can contribute towards failure but others say not.

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  • wallacebob
    wallacebob Forum Participant Posts: 89
    edited December 2015 #2

    Honda CRV 2.2CRD, had slippage/vibration problems at about 90k. Cost £1500 to replace clutch and DMFSurprised. BUT I did end up doing
    198k miles before changing car, so I was happy overall. I think all manufacturers have had problems in the past few years; Honest John website has a lot of complaints. I would put £10 in a jar every week, then forget about the worrying. 

  • flatcoat
    flatcoat Forum Participant Posts: 1,571
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    edited December 2015 #3

    If you are a mechanically sympathetic driver I doubt you will have any problems. My local spanner man has only ever done one DMF and when mine started rattling on the Toledo at 120k miles the car was due for changing to something bigger. 

  • Biggarmac
    Biggarmac Forum Participant Posts: 364
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    edited December 2015 #4

    I had a long wheelbase Shogun and had the Dual Mass Flywheel fail.  It cost £2200 to replace DMF and clutch.  The previous clutch was worn, but not worn out, however I was advised that it would be best to change the clutch at the same time.  The new clutch
    never felt right. I no longer have the Shogun.

    It was probably spending a fortnight towing units, including large motorhomes, on and off a muddy temporary site that caused the DMF to fail a few months later!

  • fur ball
    fur ball Forum Participant Posts: 155
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    edited December 2015 #5

    Hi, just had my Mondeo dual mass done. It started roaring at me but still managed to get back three hundred miles with caravan in tow and drive around for a couple of weeks til garage could fit me in, the car has done 120000 miles. The clutch was still good but like previous poster said change it. Cost was 650 quid. Your find most cars have a dual mass so I wouldn't worry about it on the basis that worrying about it ain't going to change anything. Reversing the caravan where the clutch and dmf get hot is where I believe it takes its toll.

  • EmilysDad
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    edited December 2015 #6

     .... My local spanner man has only ever done one DMF and  .... 

    Whereas my local Vauxhall dealer did loads for the local Plod's Omegas in the day. But if you're driving a car that someone else maintains you don't need the same mechanical sympathy Innocent

  • EmilysDad
    EmilysDad Forum Participant Posts: 8,973
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    edited December 2015 #7

     ..... Your find most cars have a dual mass ....

    'proper' torque converter autos don't Innocent Innocent

  • fur ball
    fur ball Forum Participant Posts: 155
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    edited December 2015 #8

     ..... Your find most cars have a dual mass ....

    'proper' torque converter autos don't Innocent Innocent

    Lol lets not go down this road againLaughing

  • EmilysDad
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    edited December 2015 #9

     ..... Your find most cars have a dual mass ....

    'proper' torque converter autos don't Innocent Innocent

    Lol lets not go down this road againLaughing

    Laughing yes! Lets Laughing 
    ... they'r e the future Cool

  • Kerry Watkins
    Kerry Watkins Forum Participant Posts: 325
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    edited December 2015 #10

    Our Subaru Legacy had to have the whole clutch unit replaced at 54,000 miles! Cost over £1000. The old clutch started to squeal when engaging on a hill without the caravan in the back. As its a 2003 model it's nearly the value if the car!

  • flatcoat
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    edited December 2015 #11

    Given your Subaru was presumably a petrol I suspect your problem was the clutch thrust bearing. As for MM and 'proper' autos perhaps we could have some definitive objective data on how many autos these days do not have a DMF? And, how many auto boxes fitted
    these days are still traditional old school torque converter boxes unaided by complex electronics? Whatever the benefits of an auto I still suspect a DMF repair is cheaper than sorting out a complex 9 speed auto whose ECU 'brain' has had a nervous breakdown!
    back to the OP, in practice one can point to a host of potential problems with modern cars which may arise of which DMF failure is but one. 

  • EmilysDad
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    edited December 2015 #12

    Given your Subaru was presumably a petrol I suspect your problem was the clutch thrust bearing. As for MM and 'proper' autos perhaps we could have some definitive objective data on how many autos these days do not have a DMF? And, how many auto boxes fitted
    these days are still traditional old school torque converter boxes unaided by complex electronics? Whatever the benefits of an auto I still suspect a DMF repair is cheaper than sorting out a complex 9 speed auto whose ECU 'brain' has had a nervous breakdown!
    back to the OP, in practice one can point to a host of potential problems with modern cars which may arise of which DMF failure is but one. 

    Calm down dear ....... Cool

    I doubt any torque converter auto is free from any form of electrickery these days. And ALL torque converter autos are free from a DMF cos that's how they work ..... not like your preferred DSG type auto 

  • Kerry Watkins
    Kerry Watkins Forum Participant Posts: 325
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    edited December 2015 #13

    Yes flat coat, a petrol model

  • Paul Rainbow
    Paul Rainbow Forum Participant Posts: 129
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    edited December 2015 #14

    Just had a new clutch in my 2005 Santa Fe after 92,000 miles. £450 was pretty good I thought, and one reason why I have not upgraded to the new shape with DMF.

    Plenty of life in the old girl yet! 

  • fred1955
    fred1955 Forum Participant Posts: 3
    edited April 2017 #15

    Don't  know where the other thread has gone regarding DMFs..  But my experience,  New DMF needed  Diesel rav 37k (under 5yr warranty),  again 72k (£1100) traded in to get a Honda CRV; new DMF needed at 52K (£1200). I don't think that they are suitable for tow cars unless you are ready for a £1100 bill every 40 50K.  -  get an auto box !. Do I drive on the clutch No.  last clutch I had was on a Vauxhall viva HC with 190K on the clock 40 years ago and replaced it myself (£17) due to an oil leak not worn out.   But I'm not alone in my dread of the DMF because now there are more companies set up to replace the DMFs with a single MF;  reviews from these are good.  In conclusion when my Honda clutch goes next time I'm going to get a SMF -  So please the "we have heard / doom and gloom merchants" only reply if you have personal experience. 

  • dmiller555
    dmiller555 Forum Participant Posts: 717
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    edited April 2017 #16

    Manual gearbox; why? 

  • JaRT
    JaRT Forum Participant Posts: 177
    edited April 2017 #17

    Well simply because in my case the auto version of the car had a lower towing limit than the manual version.

    It wouldn't have been suitable for our caravan.

    Sometimes this is the case with other models too.

  • MDD10
    MDD10 Forum Participant Posts: 335
    edited April 2017 #18

    My DMF failed at 55K once I started towing with some smelly clutches when reversing.  Getting a mover fitted sorted it but some diesels are susceptible to it.