Problem with wheel arches

CurlylandJan
CurlylandJan Forum Participant Posts: 16
edited September 2016 in Caravans #1

We have a bailey unicorn and found that a large hole has appeared in the centre of the wheel arch we believe this is due to the tyre rubbing the arch  has anyone else experienced this  

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  • EasyT
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    edited September 2016 #2

    I have no experience of Bailey but would find that surprising. Is it second hand? A tyre blowing out and tread flapping might cause this

  • CurlylandJan
    CurlylandJan Forum Participant Posts: 16
    edited September 2016 #3

    no not tyre problem checked this looks like the other side has a small fracture in it as well van is a 2013 looks like it may be something to do with the suspension when it hits a hole perhaps or road humps( very confused) booked it in now with dealer but
    unsure whether it is a van fault or an insurance claim or do we get stung for it?

  • Wildwood
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    edited September 2016 #4

    If the wheel is hitting the wheel arches then it is a fault and should be dealt with under guarantee. If there is a problem quote the Sale of Goods Act and point out the wheelarches are not fit for purpose and tell the dealer it is their responsibility and
    you will take them to court if not rectified.

  • MeatHome
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    edited September 2016 #5

    When arriving on site on one occasion I smelt burning plastic and found the the tyre had been rubbing against the wheel arch to such an extent that it had made a hole

    Initial reaction was that wheel was running out of line

    However then discovered that a box of items stored in the cupboard around the wheel arch had pushed the plastic wheel arch onto  the tyre from the inside of the van

  • CurlylandJan
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    edited September 2016 #6

    If the wheel is hitting the wheel arches then it is a fault and should be dealt with under guarantee. If there is a problem quote the Sale of Goods Act and point out the wheelarches are not fit for purpose and tell the dealer it is their responsibility and
    you will take them to court if not rectified.

    Write your comments here... Thank you for your advice

  • CurlylandJan
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    edited September 2016 #7

    On further inspection the other arch looks like its going the same way, at the top of the arch instead of it being curved it is flat so there is not much suspenson tolerance and you cannot get a fist between the top of the tyre and arch.  ringing chipping
    sudburywhere we purchased it from to see what they say.  

  • Schnauzer
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    edited September 2016 #8

    We were travelling to France last year in our Buccaneer and fortunately had booked an overnight stop at Black Horse  Farm. On arrival at the site I smelt burning and discovered that our offside tyres (twin axle) had rubbed through the wheel box (as I have
    since discovered the Caravan  Manufacturers call them) cutting through the water supply to the toilet and wash basin. To cut a long story short the wheel boxes were a faulty batch and had bellowed out causing rubbing on the tyres. They were replaced and the
    water pipes repaired under warranty but  we were without the Caravan for three months during the summer. Thank goodness for Red Pennant they took our Caravan home and we continued to France staying in Hotels and a Cottage. 

  • AndyNYorks
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    edited September 2016 #9

    A couple of our friends have the same problem with their Unicorns. The problem is that the axle is being overloaded. It seems that some are leaving the factory over their stated weight which then reduces the payload. In one instance, by the time a mover
    was fitted the available payload (as tested on a weighbridge) was only 56Kg. Bailey don't seem interested and blame the customer for overloading the axle even though there have been a significant number of incidences of wheel boxes being damaged in this way.

  • Vanmaster81
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    edited September 2016 #10

    We were travelling to France last year in our Buccaneer and fortunately had booked an overnight stop at Black Horse  Farm. On arrival at the site I smelt burning and discovered that our offside tyres (twin axle) had rubbed through the wheel box (as I have
    since discovered the Caravan  Manufacturers call them) cutting through the water supply to the toilet and wash basin. To cut a long story short the wheel boxes were a faulty batch and had bellowed out causing rubbing on the tyres. They were replaced and the
    water pipes repaired under warranty but  we were without the Caravan for three months during the summer. Thank goodness for Red Pennant they took our Caravan home and we continued to France staying in Hotels and a Cottage. 

    Write your comments here..Hi

    Seems like you had a exactly the same problem we are experiencing. Did you buy the van new or used. My local dealer is fobbing me off because of the warranty transfer that i was unaware of.

  • ocsid
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    edited September 2016 #11

    Has it been on a weighbridge in the "in use" configuration?

    I suspect that line of enquiry will be the one Bailey will want to explore.

    As an aside; I have to say that I find the mainstream UK carvan makers payload allowance are for us simply too low to be workable and so consider buying their products. 

  • young thomas
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    edited September 2016 #12

    A couple of our friends have the same problem with their Unicorns. The problem is that the axle is being overloaded. It seems that some are leaving the factory over their stated weight which then reduces the payload. In one instance, by the time a mover
    was fitted the available payload (as tested on a weighbridge) was only 56Kg. Bailey don't seem interested and blame the customer for overloading the axle even though there have been a significant number of incidences of wheel boxes being damaged in this way.

    showrooms should have access to a nearby weighbridge, or at the very least, those weighing pads, to allow a customer to check the 'actual' weight of the van before they sign the handover form....

    this will petrify salesmen and probably customers.....

    ill wager a significant number of vans (and MH) are going around well over weight.

    anyone with experience of certain types of van/mh will 'know' that weights (some axle weights in particular) are over the limit, mainly as the vans are not fit for their intended purpose (on the specifict MTPLMs they are sold at) and will be overweight almost
    before a wheel has turned....

  • JVB66
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    edited September 2016 #13

    I wanted to know the axle limit on our c/van but could not find any information, on contacting Alko they advise that all axles have a sticker or green plate on the forward edge,in the centre of the axle,there is no sign of either on ours,A second email from
    Alko advised contacting the Manufacturer asking what axles they were fitting? which makes one wonder how do the manufacturers know?  

  • young thomas
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    edited September 2016 #14

    all MH have a 'plate' with four figures...

    MTPLM, front axle, rear axle, GTW (gross train weight).

    the biggest issue for MH will be the weight on tne rear axle, especially those with long rear overhangs, a 'family' design and a MTPLM of 3500kg....in most instances, no chance of workingUndecided

    surely, caravans must have these, as they can be changed when being up/down 'plated'?Happy

     

  • JVB66
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    edited September 2016 #15

    All c/vans have a "plate" on the van body and info for each van in the handbook,but any vehicle fitted with Alko chassis can have diferent axles fitted depending on the weight the vehicle builder needs,the plate on our van shows a different weight to what
    is in the handbook for the same model,hence the email to Alko 

  • young thomas
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    edited September 2016 #16

    All c/vans have a "plate" on the van body and info for each van in the handbook,but any vehicle fitted with Alko chassis can have diferent axles fitted depending on the weight the vehicle builder needs,the plate on our van shows a different weight to what
    is in the handbook for the same model,hence the email to Alko 

    We have an Alko chassis on our van....

    the Fiat plate has weights with a MTPLM of 4000kg.

    underneath is the ALKO plate (which they put on) which shows an uprated MTPLM of 4250kg.

    this becomes the legal binding MTPLM.

    i would have thought an ALKO equipped caravan would have the ALKO plate adjacent to the original converter plate?

    it is the plate that is the binding weight, not the handbook, no need to ring anyone....the plate is the legal weight.

    if stopped, this is where plod will look, not in the book.

  • JVB66
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    edited September 2016 #17

    All c/vans have a "plate" on the van body and info for each van in the handbook,but any vehicle fitted with Alko chassis can have diferent axles fitted depending on the weight the vehicle builder needs,the plate on our van shows a different weight to what
    is in the handbook for the same model,hence the email to Alko 

    We have an Alko chassis on our van....

    the Fiat plate has weights with a MTPLM of 4000kg.

    underneath is the ALKO plate (which they put on) which shows an uprated MTPLM of 4250kg.

    this becomes the legal binding MTPLM.

    i would have thought an ALKO equipped caravan would have the ALKO plate adjacent to the original converter plate?

    it is the plate that is the binding weight, not the handbook, no need to ring anyone....the plate is the legal weight.

    if stopped, this is where plod will look, not in the book.

    ...Hence my email to Alko there is no plate on the axleUndecided

  • young thomas
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    edited September 2016 #18

    then find it, Dear Liza, Dear LizaWink

  • peegeenine
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    edited September 2016 #19

    BB, I would have thought that you would have a third stage VIN plate somewhere from Carthago. That is the legally binding one.

  • young thomas
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    edited September 2016 #20

    PG, have you got three.....Fiat, ALKO and Swift?

  • JVB66
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    edited September 2016 #21

    then find it, Dear Liza, Dear LizaWink

    Wink...So you have not properly read my posts

  • peegeenine
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    edited September 2016 #22

    Yes, the vehicle isn't finished at stage 2. Fitting the MH body onto the chassis completes the build hence stage 3.

  • young thomas
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    edited September 2016 #23

    then find it, Dear Liza, Dear LizaWink

    Wink...So you have not properly read my posts

    i did.....Sad

    look harder, dear Henry, dear HenryUndecided

  • young thomas
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    edited September 2016 #24

    Yes, the vehicle isn't finished at stage 2. Fitting the MH body onto the chassis completes the build hence stage 3.

    cheers, apparently i do have a Carthago one.....

    i just need JVB to find it for meWink

  • JVB66
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    edited September 2016 #25

    Yes, the vehicle isn't finished at stage 2. Fitting the MH body onto the chassis completes the build hence stage 3.

    cheers, apparently i do have a Carthago one.....

    i just need JVB to find it for meWink

    ...If in doubt scramble under and look on axle tube it may be thereWink