Who has gone from fixed bed back to bed making?

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  • cyberyacht
    cyberyacht Forum Participant Posts: 10,218 ✭✭✭
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    edited January 2016 #32

    Vans are always a compromise unless it is at the top end of length. Our last two berth wasn't that practical as singles, the berths being of minimal dimensions which entailed cushion shuffling every night. We now have a fixed bed in a fifteen + a bit foot
    van. A end bathroom would be nice but we are constrained by the length of the drive. Cushion shuffling holds no attractions.

  • EasyT
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    edited January 2016 #33

    We have gone back to a 4 berth with centre dinette, using the front beds as singles after years of making a double bed up. Tried a semi permanent fixed bed which was good in that we could get straight into it but it is a waste of space, although they are
    classed as 4 berth we think they aren't really suitable, our front seats were short so not a lot of space for a family of 4 for relaxing. Depends on your needs and what you want from your 'van.

     

     

    Our previous van had an L shaped end diner/sitting area. In the Summer we would generally leave it made up as a double bed unless we were expecting family to meet us on site. We could have used the front benches as beds but had never considered that. Wr
    would eat most meals in the awning except durin our (then) 10day Christmas break when I would make the bed each day. If we went out to a theatre etc I would make it before we left. 

    When the van was 7 years old I persuaded OH that we should change. We were to get a fixed bed. In the event we decised too much waste of space even though the lack of bed making would be a boon. The main compromise that we could not accept  with was the
    shorter front seating. Because of the narow road and footways outside our property anything much longer than 7m overall was a no-no. Then I thought as I am the main chef and the arthritis in my spine made food prep painfull at times a side diner where I could
    prep at a lower height would be a good idea. Our present Lunar ES has wider and longer front seating than the previous van and with the side diner negates the need for an awning for us. We tried our previous van sleeping on the front seating at home for a
    couple of nights. Seemed OK so with wider and longer front seats, side diner, good washroom it was the way to go. The sprung seating makes a comfy bed. We have no need to turn the base cushions over as the knee roll is not a problem and we have a throw on
    the base cushion. I remove the back cusion on OH's bed to the shower along with the end armrest cushions and loose scatter cushions. As I am slimmer my back rest stays on. Time taken to make or unmahe the beds - 2 mins. If I have dropped off OH can easily
    make her own. Whilst I have no interest in making up a double bed on the 120 nights that we are away I am happy not to have a fixed bed and to have front seating that I can stretch out on of an evening and rest my spine when I desire without having to go and
    lie on a bed. Different strokes for different folks as they say.

  • rogher
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    edited January 2016 #34

    When going for beds made from seating I’d avoid those where a ‘jig-saw’ of cushions is required. Sod will conspire to make gaps appear in the wrong places. A smooth surface is better. Also turn the cushions over, to improve airing.

    I’m not sure why manufacturers haven’t applied the idea of constructing cushions with one side for sleeping and the other for sitting, but they rarely display much aptitude for practicality and salesmen gloss-over what you’re supposed to do with excess cushions
    because they don’t know either.

  • JD6620
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    edited January 2016 #35

    After having two bed making vans we changed to a fixed bed.  We didn't like the reduced living area with the fixed bed so changed back to a bed making van.  It's no hardship to spend a couple of minutes putting the bed together.  We just have to pull the
    base together and chuck a couple of Duvalays on the top.  It's also bigger and just as comfortable as our previous fixed bed.

  • Oldgirl and Staffy
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    edited January 2016 #36

    We've changed from a fixed bed caravan (a Hymer 530FB) to a motorhome with a drop down bed and the option of a made up bed from the dinette.  The drop down bed is great because it stays made up but lifts up to the ceiling during the day so is well out of the way and saves a lot of space.  Shame that caravans need to keep the weight low for towing stability,  otherwise maybe this would be a good idea there too?

  • DSB
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    edited January 2016 #37

    Would never go back to bed making.......

    At the moment we feel the same way.  Apart from the fact that we like the fixed bed, we also like the large storeage area below.

    David 

  • JVB66
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    edited January 2016 #38

    The van we have just ordered has "fast" make up bed from front seating with specific side of seats for bed ,as we have now decided wi would rather have the space ,rather than the fixed bed in the same length, 

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  • JohnM20
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    edited January 2016 #41

    Score so far seems to be :-

    Fixed Beds = 10

    Non-fixed = 16

  • EmilysDad
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    edited January 2016 #42

    Digressing for a moment ..... a friend used to have a Morris Oxford/Austin Cambridge, its radio used to take about a mile to warm up Laughing

  • ADP1963
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    edited January 2016 #43

    Actually BB  it has been done i.e a bed that folds away during the day. My father had a Fairholme Bambino (I think that was what it was called ). A double bed folded up into the side of the van. God knows what it did for weight distribution but I dont recall
    it being a bad van to tow , just the  oposite. When I used it  we thought making it  up with sheets and blankets more trouble than it was worth  and used sleeping bags  at the dining end.

    Write your comments here... I think you will find that Fairhomle was the Sprite Flagship model and in those days cost a lot of money

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  • ADP1963
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    edited January 2016 #45

    Each to their own but we personally cannot see what all the fuss is about when making the bed up. We use a double sleeping bag, with a blanket underneath, it takes us less than 5 minutes to assemble the bed and mabe a little longer to put it away properly
    and we are in our mid 70's. The benefit we get from the space freed up is what we prefer. Nothing in the roof for us other than light and lockers.

  • mbee1
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    edited January 2016 #46

    I also think much depends on the type of fixed bed.  Our first one was a French bed tucked into a corner with a small corner wet room.  That bed was a pain to make as it was difficult to reach over to tuck the bottom sheet in and we only used the toilet
    as it was too small to have a shower in comfort.

    The fatal thing to do was call in at my dealer to pick up some toilet fluid and started looking at new vans.  We didn't intend to change as the old one was only four years old but the transverse island bed caught our eye.  A deal was done and we've never
    looked back.  The bed is easy to make and, although it's tight to get around the bottom when in night mode, buying it has been the best thing we've ever done.  Large end washroom means that we don't need to use site facilites although at 7.5 metres it's quite
    a length. We also have a proper duvet - no sleeping bags for us.  

    Generally there are only the two of us plus dog but if either of our daughters come to visit we just make up the front as a bed and we realise how much of a pain it is to do.  Would never ever go back to doing that.

     

  • flatcoat
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    edited January 2016 #47

    Interesting to see how this thread has developed! A number of points come to mind: first off we are not awning people, if we wanted to sleep outside under canvas we would have a tent! It is not about which is best but gauging whether the benefits of a fixed bed will be lost with loss of space in the kitchen/lounge/shower which our 2010 Moonstone has aplenty. The fixed bed van which works for us in respect of layout is the Sprite quattro EW however it is almost 8.0m long and will struggle to get it parked by the house (tight 180 degree turn required) when not in storage. The compromise layout is a typical transverse island bed arrangement on a single axle keeping the length to around 7.5m. That 450mm difference will be a big help when spinning the van around however the kitchen working area is much smaller than present and we lose the side dining and have a smaller lounge too.... like mbee1 we are a couple with a dog and may very ocassionally have a 3-4 years old grandson with us. Its all about compromise but what do we compromise with? hey ho! Keep your comments coming, when friendly discussions develop like this thread this forum is great!

  • mbee1
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    edited January 2016 #48

    Hi Flatcoat.  I think the Sprite Quattro EW is on the same bodyshell as our Eccles Quartz - just a few centimetres short of 7.5m.  Same inside arrangement. The compromise is smaller living room which doesn't bother us. In the summer we generally put an awning
    up in which to sit and eat as we like the outside living when it's nice.  The seating area in the van is OK for four adults but that doesn't happen very often. For us it would be a no brainer.

  • rogher
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    edited January 2016 #49

    I remember a Sprite Countryman from the early 1960’s, that had a drop-down bed in the middle. It was a very innovative for its time, with a second door in the rear and a solid fuel stove in the living room (the kitchen was separate). Sprite was part of Caravans
    Inernational and at the bottom-end of their line. Fairline was their top-end marque.

  • Kennine
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    edited January 2016 #50

    When we sold our motorhome and bought a Towcar and Caravan, we deliberated for a while on our preferred layout. We finally opted for a large shower room and toilet across the rear of the van. Spacious kitchen / preparation area and a decent sized lounge. 

    We use the lounge seats as single beds at night using a mattress topper and a downie each.( the dog sleeps on his bed on the floor between the two beds).  It takes but a couple of minutes to make up the beds and to put them back in the under seat lockers come morning.. 

    This arrangement suits us perfectly as there is no wasted unusable space during the day, we have the full use of all the internal space.

    For a matter of a less than 5 minutes work per day we have, in our opinion, the best layout.

    K Smile 

     

  • Tammygirl
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    If we were to go back to a caravan it would be a side dinette version, where the lounge has to be made up at night but giving us full length singles should we wish, a side dining table would also allow us to leave the 'beds' made up in good weather, allowing
    us to eat in if we wished, a good sized rear bathroom for when we are on non-facilities sites.

    We loved our last caravan a Lunar SB twin singles at the rear, shower one side toilet otherside which made it an on suite, lounge and kitchen not as roomy but still plenty for the 2 of us or on occasion when we had the 2 little Gkids with us. The only down
    side we found was at 7.5m long we felt it wasn't a' touring' van. We know have a 6.6m M/H with plentyof space and very adaptable.

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  • ADP1963
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    edited January 2016 #53

    Hi TG

    Thats what we have now a Lunar SB and the layout suits us fine, just a shame about the leaks

    Write your comments here... You must be a bit unlucky,we have had 5 Lunar's all for us have been spot on. I am not saying that everything is perfect from Lunar,but there seems to be more tales of woe from other manufacturers.Our present van Luner Delta 520/2
    we had new and is 12 years old and we would not change now A because of our age and B to us it is faultless. Hope you get your problem sorted.

  • kevinhrc1
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    We prefer a fixed bed, when you come in of a night, no bed to make up we have got plenty room in our van if someone wants a lie in they can, we have a full size bathroom and shower but what work's for us dosen't  work for every one else, but when i was talking to a caravan dealer he said sale's of two births  had gone down as more people wanted a fixed bed, we like our 624 pegasus because we dont have to bother with awnings either because there is more than enough room for what we want, but with all thing's said and done it's  down to what people want or can afford because owing a caravan is not  cheap and to get the value out of it you have to you it as much as you can

  • EmilysDad
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    edited January 2016 #55

    .....Our present van Luner Delta 520/2 we ....

    That's what we have. It surprises people when they see the size of it from the outside  & then find out it's only 2 berth Cool It's showing its
    age a bit now though.

  • Wildwood
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    edited January 2016 #56

    We have go e to a fixed bed and it saves a lot of bed making as we get older. The only way we would go back is if we needed to downside for any reason.

  • flatcoat
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    edited January 2016 #57

    The Quattro EW is a twin axle van at 7.92m long, our other option is the Eccles 580 which is the latest version of the Quartz. 

  • DougS
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    edited January 2016 #58

    I don't think this aspect has been mentioned but for us, a fixed bed decision was so that one person could stay up or get up earlier and be able to sit somewhere. i.e. a sleeping area and a sitting area which you can do with any 4 berth (?) BUT with a smaller 2 berth, where your seats are also your bed, if one person gets up they have nowhere else to sit?

    I can see the benefits of a smaller 2 berth van in many ways BUT the extra size of our 4 berth which we only ever use for the two of us is the downside but works for us otherwise, we wouldn't be caravanning.

  • Tammygirl
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    Hi TG

    Thats what we have now a Lunar SB and the layout suits us fine, just a shame about the leaks

    We loved our layout it just felt sooo roomySmile shame about yours leaking we didn't have any problems with that, but did have to have the rear
    of the van replaced due to cracking of the rear panel. David, it was the Lunar that we had a very near miss in while traveling to Hull, on return from that trip we had an ATS fitted, what a differance (I still wouldn't tow it though) Frown getting
    used to the M/H now after 3 years don't mind driving that.

  • ADP1963
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    edited January 2016 #60

    .....Our present van Luner Delta 520/2 we ....

    That's what we have. It surprises people when they see the size of it from the outside  & then find out it's only 2 berth Cool It's showing its
    age a bit now though.

    Write your comments here...So are the wife & I.......but the caravan is still looking great! Happy

  • EmilysDad
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    edited January 2016 #61

    .......So are the wife & I..........

    Me too Laughing