Advice needed please

whalley89
whalley89 Forum Participant Posts: 10
edited January 2016 in Caravans #1

hello 

we got are first caravan in july 15 from glossop caravans its a abi award nightstar 5 birth 1994. all was good first week we went away. 2nd time we went away we found the water boiler was leeking and all under the sofa storage area was full of water the
wall was starting to go damp and i got under the caravan to find the edge of the floor was delaminating rotting and was dripping wet from the front of the van to the wheel. i have fixed the worst of the leek myself as we were just starting the 2nd week away.
we allso had a tyre which were new when we picked it up had an egg in it after first run to dorset so changed to spare for trip from dorset to landsend which when we got there that was flat and had run on the side wall problem was a faulty valve.

i have spoke to them about the leeks while we were away and it diddnt invalidate the warranty me fixing it but when i told them about the rot in the floor and wall problems they said due to the age of the van we might not be able to do anything. 

can any one give us some advice on where we stand with this the other half want money back or a nother caravan im not botherd if it gets fixed i would be happy with that 

paul

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  • rogher
    rogher Forum Participant Posts: 609
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    edited January 2016 #2

    I would read through the wording of any guarantee very carefully. That should indicate what kind of outcome you might expect.  It would seem that your dealer is being reasonable, however, so I wouldn’t attack with all guns blazing: they would only put their
    shields up and become less compliant. Go back and explain exactly what your feelings are and negotiate around their response. Neither of you are in the position you’d like to be but sorting it out as adults is likely to be less costly than any other route.
    You may not get your money back but you may be able to upgrade from your current position.

  • fur ball
    fur ball Forum Participant Posts: 155
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    edited January 2016 #3

    I would try to sort it out with dealer however if you are not happy with there offer it may be worth getting consumer legal advice as there is with every sale a legal requirement for it to be fit for purpose, however that's the grey area, if your in a union
    or with a company that provides a legal helpline you can get it free.

  • brue
    brue Forum Participant Posts: 21,176 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    edited January 2016 #4

    The CC have a free legal help line for members. Why not give them a ring and ask for advice.

  • whalley89
    whalley89 Forum Participant Posts: 10
    edited January 2016 #5

    thanks for the advice i will get and look through all the small print and give the legal helpline a ring. i personaly dont think we will get anwhere with them as we are in are 20s and they will try and fob us off with some old bull. 

  • squip
    squip Forum Participant Posts: 42
    edited January 2016 #6

    I think that Rogher's advice is right - back to the dealer and be polite but firm.

    My son had a similar situation and the dealer offered to repair the van or to credit him with the cost of the van against any van on the dealers forecourt.

    He chose the latter option as he could not be certain that the van would be repaired properly.

    Perhaps you will be able to make a similar agreement with your dealer.

    squip

  • whalley89
    whalley89 Forum Participant Posts: 10
    edited January 2016 #7

    squip

    i think thats what the other half will be trying to push them towards as she has told me she dosnt want this caravan any more she became ill while we were away with bronchitis and she blames it on the caravan for being damp 

  • Firedragon
    Firedragon Forum Participant Posts: 509
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    edited January 2016 #8

    Whalley89 if you are offered the chance to go for another van make sure it is damp checked in front of you, if the floor was showing signs then it was probably not the first time the water heater had leaked and the damp would have already been there when
    you purchased it, was there any mention of damp in the warranty you were given? Damp spores would certainly aggravate bronchitis, so you need to be vigilent when checking for it, you can buy damp meters cheaply enough yourself (we got one on ebay) and don't
    let a dealer intimidate or talk down to you because of your youth, he doesn't know you haven't been caravanning for years with your family. Sorry you have had a rotten first van experience, hope you can get it fixed without too much hassle, I agree - try the
    pleasant approach first, as my dad always used to say...You catch more flies with honey!

    Good luck, let us know how you get on

    Alison

  • DreamMachine
    DreamMachine Forum Participant Posts: 22
    edited January 2016 #9

    Sorry to hear of your damp problems - unfortunately this is an all too common problem - even on much newer caravans.

    You don't say how much you paid  for it ?   A lot of dealers sell of older vans as 'trade sales' (or similiar description) where you are expected to buy it on an 'AS IS' basis 'buyer takes the risk - they do this so they can try an avoid having to accept
    any come back if you find problems.

    Either they didn't bother to check it OR they knew it had these problems and did not inform you of them - either way I agree  that you should take it back & explain politely that it is not fit for the purpose you purchased it for and request they give you
    a refund or credit against another caravan that is fit for purpose.

    If you go for another caravan make sure they damp check it in front of you so you can see any problems before you accept it. Any damp readings above 20 - 25 need checking out thoroughly, and readings above 30 are a serious problem.

    Better still buy your own damp meter (you can buy good cheap ones on Amazon) and check for your self.

    Any caravan that is 21 years old is getting tired and be past it's best but should still be of a decent habital & usuable condition - Glossop's are a big dealer and should value their reputation by ensuring it's fit for purpose.

  • whalley89
    whalley89 Forum Participant Posts: 10
    edited January 2016 #10

    Sorry to hear of your damp problems - unfortunately this is an all too common problem - even on much newer caravans.

    You don't say how much you paid  for it ?   A lot of dealers sell of older vans as 'trade sales' (or similiar description) where you are expected to buy it on an 'AS IS' basis 'buyer takes the risk - they do this so they can try an avoid having to accept
    any come back if you find problems.

    Either they didn't bother to check it OR they knew it had these problems and did not inform you of them - either way I agree  that you should take it back & explain politely that it is not fit for the purpose you purchased it for and request they give you
    a refund or credit against another caravan that is fit for purpose.

    If you go for another caravan make sure they damp check it in front of you so you can see any problems before you accept it. Any damp readings above 20 - 25 need checking out thoroughly, and readings above 30 are a serious problem.

    Better still buy your own damp meter (you can buy good cheap ones on Amazon) and check for your self.

    Any caravan that is 21 years old is getting tired and be past it's best but should still be of a decent habital & usuable condition - Glossop's are a big dealer and should value their reputation by ensuring it's fit for purpose.

    Write your comments here...we gave 3k for it as she was so tidy And a 12 month warrant. I've organised a call back from the cc legal team to see what approach I should take befor I ring glossop. They said it would be all checked over before we picked it
    up can't have done that so well unless they were keeping quiet as they new this would be are first caravan and had no clue what we were looking at or for. I did some googling and there are som horror storys out there about glossop even with brand new caravans
    and people having to take them to cort over different issues 

  • JPOSH
    JPOSH Forum Participant Posts: 131
    edited January 2016 #11

    Sorry to hear about your problems.

    We bought a full awning from Glossop at the NEC in October .

    It arrived direct from dorema but with alloy poles instead of the ordered glass fibre poles .

    When checking paperwork had no evidence of which poles we ordered .

    All we had was the hand written price on the brochure from the rep .I scanned and emailed this to them and was sorted within a week .

     happy with Glossop here .

    Hopefully you will get the same aftersales experience as we did.

    Good luck 

     

  • whalley89
    whalley89 Forum Participant Posts: 10
    edited January 2016 #12

    I hope so. the other half is that disappointed with are first caravaning trip she wants to go back to a tent but I'm not shifting caravan is the way 

  • JPOSH
    JPOSH Forum Participant Posts: 131
    edited January 2016 #13

    Please don't get into arguments over what is supposed to be a pleasurable pastime. 

    Sometimes a compromise is inevitable.I would wait for the outcome oof what you are both going through then sit down and dicuss you're options .

    If you intend to holiday All year round or go off grid then a caravan is really the only way forward just for comforts sake.

    But camping has it's merits also, we always feel there is more of a friendlier atmosphere on a site with tents .

    Unfortunately 3 grand for a caravan nowadays unless you are very lucky , you would expect there to be problems .

    For a reasonable chance of getting a van fit for purpose you problem need to at least double that amount .

  • paul56
    paul56 Forum Participant Posts: 937
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    edited January 2016 #14

    Unfortunately 3 grand for a caravan nowadays unless you are very lucky , you would expect there to be problems .

    For a reasonable chance of getting a van fit for purpose you problem need to at least double that amount .

    Can't possibly agree with that statement - paying £3000 for a caravan from a main dealer I wouldn't expect to face any problems and certainly wouldn't expect to pay £6000 for a van that 'was fit for purpose.'

    In the past when cash was short we've bought many used 'budget' vans that did their job and got dragged around Europe even if they didn't have all the frills that our current one has. 

  • JPOSH
    JPOSH Forum Participant Posts: 131
    edited January 2016 #15

    Unfortunately 3 grand for a caravan nowadays unless you are very lucky , you would expect there to be problems .

    For a reasonable chance of getting a van fit for purpose you problem need to at least double that amount .

    Can't possibly agree with that statement - paying £3000 for a caravan from a main dealer I wouldn't expect to face any problems and certainly wouldn't expect to pay £6000 for a van that 'was fit for purpose.'

    In the past when cash was short we've bought many used 'budget' vans that did their job and got dragged around Europe even if they didn't have all the frills that our current one has. 

    Write your comments here...you say you bought many used budget vans in the past 

    If you tote up the cost of them all , could that have been a false economy against buying a newer van

  • Wildwood
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    edited January 2016 #16

    The Sale of Goods Act applies to second hand purchases so the dealer is obliged to deal with it. If you go over six months then the idea of rejecting it outright is not easy and I would take advice from the clubs legal helpline. If you just want a repair
    then if they can do it this is or should not be a problem.

    If they cannot repair it then you should be able to get your money back although you may find they are entitled to asmall deduction for the use made of it.

    If you bought on credit or used a credit card for any part of the purchase then the finance company is equaly liable and if so I would tell them of your problem.

  • whalley89
    whalley89 Forum Participant Posts: 10
    edited January 2016 #17

    just got of the phont to the legal helpline and they say about the sales of goods act and given that the leek was there along time befor we got it that they should eater fix or refund if not then its a trip to the small clames court 

  • flatcoat
    flatcoat Forum Participant Posts: 1,571
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    edited January 2016 #18

    Unfortunately JPOSH not everyone is in the fortunate position to have a spare £15/18/20k kicking around to buy the newer caravan and avoid the false economy as you call it. 

  • whalley89
    whalley89 Forum Participant Posts: 10
    edited January 2016 #19

    Unfortunately JPOSH not everyone is in the fortunate position to have a spare £15/18/20k kicking around to buy the newer caravan and avoid the false economy as you call it. 

     Quite right we're  not all made of money And as its are first one we didn't want to put to much into it in case we didn't like it or didn't get the use we hoped for 

  • Mistral107
    Mistral107 Forum Participant Posts: 26
    edited March 2016 #20

    Whalley, 89 Dont quit. You paid good money for a van. It should be fit for purpose - especially from a proper dealer.  We have bought a caravan last year for £1,600 - and its darned watertight. Everything working and all in good condition. Really been looked after and they owners just wanted it shifted as they had bought a boat. The van came with everything. Awning, water boxes, wastemasters, windbreaks, etc .(Cant beat my missus when it comes to finding a bargain). We are lifetime caravanners - there's not much we dont know about them and this is the MOST EXPENSIVE van we have ever bought lol.  We have had a van that we bought for a few hundred quid to start with about 25 yrs ago - it was over 30 yrs old and still not a bit of damp in it.  Did not have any frills - it had a portaloo thing. Had a couple of vans since then never costing much, but just sold on to upgrade.  Last van we sold was over 30 yrs old and had cost us £1,200 (4 yrs ago) - complete with bradcot awning.  We sold it last year for £1,500 complete with all its bits (awning, crockery, cutlery, gas tank, etc) and the buyers were delighted. First time van for them, cheap enough to give caravanning a go and see if they liked it..  No, I would NOT pay out for some brand new spanking, shiny caravan and fear its going to get dented or scratched or stolen.  In fact we'll probably keep the one we have now. It's only 18 yrs old after all, so a young one for us.  Not ready for the knackers yard yet. Hope you get a better van next time Whalley. Hire a damp meter if in doubt. or buy one. Open all cupboards and tap the walls inside the cupboards. Sniff.  You can smell damp. Get someone to climb underneath and take a look for you, but to be honest, you are talking about a recognised dealers here, I would have thought it wasnt worth their while to pull a fast one but to remedy it PDQ, before their reputation gets seriously ruined.  Good luck. Hope it got sorted.

  • Mistral107
    Mistral107 Forum Participant Posts: 26
    edited March 2016 #21

    The CC have a free legal help line for members. Why not give them a ring and ask for advice.

    ...Great thinking. I had forgotten they were there. Good reminder.

  • whalley89
    whalley89 Forum Participant Posts: 10
    edited April 2016 #22

    Thank you all for your advice and support we managed to get a refund even tho it was a long drawn out process they looked at are can and told us there was damp all over the place so they we trying to find us a replacement for months to no avail so I got
    to the point and told them it had gone on long enough and had to demand my money back wich they weren to happey with but I got it back. was all just in time because where I was storing it on the farm that I was working on he has had to pack in due to the cost
    of production so that ment my free storage had gone and on top of that we have just found out we are going to be having are first child! So looks like caravaning is going on the back shelf for now but not for ever 

    many thanks to all who helped 

    paul