School holiday now?
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Thanks Corners for posting the following link on your post. I just noticed it a few minutes ago http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-36382492
I have to agree, what that teacher did was totally unacceptable and have heard of other instances of similar " mistakes " across the UK
We all know that schools are under pressure to perform, but I personally think this sort of thing is is a step too far. I'm sure you will agree.
K
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well luckily I have more integrity, if anyone wants to know the contents of the 2020 papers please snd a cheque to me via the club
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We could get another job or of course go away in the caravan.
You think anyone else would employ someone with so little real life experience?
Anyway, the hours would probably kill them......
well of course there are jobs and jobs, Funnily enough I do have some holiday work planned this year, writing exam questions for next year's exam papers, its really well paid and a few hours a day should get
me about a hundred or so a day. Of course anyone could apply to do it, you just need the right qualifications and experienceYou think I would work for such a pittance? Anyway, I would probably die of boredom........
well we have an ex RAF QFI (retired at 38 and retrained) who is hired as a flying instructor during the summer, gives flying lesson about every day, boring eh?
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Just out of interest for you, the maths staff are in today for a revision day, the English staff were in on Tuesday, Science yesterday, humanities tomorrow. Totally unpaid.
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Just out of interest for you, the maths staff are in today for a revision day, the English staff were in on Tuesday, Science yesterday, humanities tomorrow. Totally unpaid.
Write your comments here...Aye, but the time off in lieu during term time can easily compensate for a few of hours of talking.
As a matter of interest, who pays for the lunches, coffee / tea and biscuits.-- The attendees or the taxpayer. ??.
K
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Ah, presumably, K, you were in the sort of job where "extra hours" were worked only on condition you could claim time off in lieu then?
I think you'll find that those who have chosen teaching as a vocation are quite happy to give up extra hours like this to help their students without such an expectation!
To answer your question, when we ran revision days such as this we provided all the refreshments you mentioned; I imagine it's still exactly the same these days.
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Just out of interest for you, the maths staff are in today for a revision day, the English staff were in on Tuesday, Science yesterday, humanities tomorrow. Totally unpaid.
Write your comments here...Aye, but the time off in lieu during term time can easily compensate for a few of hours of talking.
As a matter of interest, who pays for the lunches, coffee / tea and biscuits.-- The attendees or the taxpayer. ??.
K
what time off in lieu? how can a teacher get time off in lieu? who would cover their classes? time off in lieu is unheard off in schools.
The people attending paid for their food, the students brought packed lunches as the cateen was shut, and the staff sent out for pizzas which they paid for themselves. Imagine the disgust
if free tea and coffee were available for giving up a day when we didn't need to be there?Staff give up their free time and all you can do is find fault.
On page 2, weren't you the one who proposed :
Surely those children could catch up on their missed subjects by keeping schools open with volunteer staff during the standard children's holidays.
Those volunteer staff could then take their holidays during term time and benefit from off peak holiday prices.
that sounds lke time off you are suggesting, suddenly changed your tune?0 -
Time off in lieu? Not in the real world of work!
At least teachers can content themselves with the fact that they are off work for half the year....so a day to help the kids revise should be a given.
A lot of real workers have difficulty fitting in even their meagre holiday allowance.
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The airy fairy world of Local Authority education throws up a good few strange customs.
You don't find those customs in the real world , where people have to put in a full day's hard work and don't get over 13 weeks holiday per year.
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I dont really blame teachers for availing themselves of the cushy little number that weak-willed Local Authorities have allowed to become the norm. But I do feel sorry for all the other hard working Local Authority staff of all the other departments, who work for a full day and only get a month's holiday a year.
Parity among the workforce is something which should be the aim of any employer.
K
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Still haven't put those "age old opinions and prejudices" behind you then, K? My advice to you, for what it's worth, is to let it go. I'm sure you'd agree the forum would be so much friendlier if those same old views weren't constantly dredged up!
(Incidentally, have you considered the holidays in public schools which are outside local authority control - even longer aren't they?)
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Still haven't put those "age old opinions and prejudices" behind you then, K? My advice to you, for what it's worth, is to let it go. I'm sure you'd agree the forum would be so much friendlier if those same old views weren't constantly dredged up!
(Incidentally, have you considered the holidays in public schools which are outside local authority control - even longer aren't they?)
and they often get much better results, as do the countries above us in Europe where they have even longer holidays.
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The airy fairy world of Local Authority education throws up a good few strange customs.
You don't find those customs in the real world , where people have to put in a full day's
hard work and don't get over 13 weeks holiday per year.However -
I dont really blame teachers for availing themselves of the cushy little number that weak-willed Local Authorities have allowed to become the norm. But I do feel sorry for all the other hard working Local Authority staff of all the other departments,
who work for a full day and only get a month's holiday a year.Parity among the workforce is something which should be the aim of any employer.
K
a few points here, firstly we don't get holidays, secondly the LEA is mostly nowsdays not the employer of the teachers, haven't you heard of academies?
You are in deep teacher envy K, why I don't know. The good news is though that the teacher's way of life is open to all, all it takes is hard work to get some decent qualifications though school, then university, then training to get some more qualifications,
then you too can have a 39 week year, above average salary, and a generous tax funded pension.0 -
Teachers don't get holidays????
Hahahaha
Your best one yet, Corners! Oh no, maybe it's the one about 'hard work' to get into teaching!
Must be one of the easiest jobs ever to get into.......amply demonstrated by the abysmal standards of teaching these days.
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The airy fairy world of Local Authority education throws up a good few strange customs.
You don't find those customs in the real world , where people have to put in a full day's hard work and don't get over 13 weeks holiday per year.
However -
I dont really blame teachers for availing themselves of the cushy little number that weak-willed Local Authorities have allowed to become the norm. But I do feel sorry for all the other hard working Local Authority staff of all the other departments, who work for a full day and only get a month's holiday a year.
Parity among the workforce is something which should be the aim of any employer.
K
a few points here, firstly we don't get holidays, secondly the LEA is mostly nowsdays not the employer of the teachers, haven't you heard of academies?
You are in deep teacher envy K, why I don't know. The good news is though that the teacher's way of life is open to all, all it takes is hard work to get some decent qualifications though school, then university, then training to get some more qualifications, then you too can have a 39 week year, above average salary, and a generous tax funded pension.
Write your comments here...and have a completely boring working existence well away from the real world. -no thanks Corners.
On a positive note may I compliment you on being the only teacher or past teacher on here who seem to be proud of your job.
At least you do try to educate us about the things which makes your job worth while. Others immediately go into attack mode with their age old predudices and hang ups against anyone who dares to discuss education. With the attitude that no one else should discuss the education of children.
So both you and I are positive about our ideas and are happy to discuss like adults.We may not always agree but can be polite and civil to each other. . Pity others cannot believe in polite discussion.
K
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The thing that strikes me here is someone accusing teachers of having a "cushy little number" without actually disclosing what they themselves do for a living - or if retired, telling us what vital part of British industry decided they didn't need their services any more?
We could then examine how their "real world" job compared?
Cheers
Bugs
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The non-working-days are factored into the rate of pay so it does not matter how many there are. If there was not a long holiday to recover there would be a considerable number not turning up come the start of the autum term because they were incarcerated in a psychiatric institution.
Recent news reports highlight that standards in mathematics are dropping so obviously appropriate learning is not taking place. Some will blame the teachers for not teaching, others the children for not learning, but whichever is correct - if the children are not in school neither happens.
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The airy fairy world of Local Authority education throws up a good few strange customs.
You don't find those customs in the real world , where people have to put in a full day's
hard work and don't get over 13 weeks holiday per year.However -
I dont really blame teachers for availing themselves of the cushy little number that weak-willed Local Authorities have allowed to become the norm. But I do feel sorry for all the other hard working Local Authority staff of all the other departments,
who work for a full day and only get a month's holiday a year.Parity among the workforce is something which should be the aim of any employer.
K
a few points here, firstly we don't get holidays, secondly the LEA is mostly nowsdays not the employer of the teachers, haven't you heard of academies?
You are in deep teacher envy K, why I don't know. The good news is though that the teacher's way of life is open to all, all it takes is hard work to get some decent qualifications though school, then university, then training to get some more qualifications,
then you too can have a 39 week year, above average salary, and a generous tax funded pension.Write your comments here...and have a completely boring working existence well away from the real world. -no thanks Corners.
On a positive note may I compliment you on being the only teacher or past teacher on here who seem to be proud of your job.
At least you do try to educate us about the things which makes your job worth while. Others immediately go into attack mode with their age old predudices and hang ups against anyone who dares to discuss education. With the attitude that no one else should
discuss the education of children.So both you and I are positive about our ideas and are happy to discuss like adults.We may not always agree but can be polite and civil to each other. . Pity others cannot believe in polite discussion.
K
You believe what you want, K! Your latest tactic then is "divide and conquer". The request to drop "age old opinions and prejudices" which, might I remind you are your own words appear not to apply to, err... your own age old opinions and prejudices.
I asked you some time ago to let us into the secret of your own career - all you could come up with is "private sector". Respect has to be earned and maybe you'd earn it if you were a bit more honest yourself.
If you're not prepared to do that, my advice is to drop this irrational attitude towards teachers; it seems be an obsession. Move on, take your own advice and make the forum a friendlier place instead of deliberately setting out to cause dissent!
I'll leave the last word to you if that's what you want, but for heaven's sake, let it go.
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The thing that strikes me here is someone accusing teachers of having a "cushy little number" without actually disclosing what they themselves do for a living - or if retired, telling us what vital part of British industry decided they didn't need their
services any more?We could then examine how their "real world" job compared?
Cheers
Bugs
Bugs - how dare you suggest that Quantity Surveying could be in any way boring?!
Drinking builder's tea is an activity filled with excitement (have you seen the state of their cups?!).
Modern civilisation is entirely dependant on the QS.......shame I retired then!
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A previous poster mentioned a point I have mentioned before quote " if the children are not in school neither would happen"
There is a case for extending term time and reducing school holidays to around 5 weeks per year. Education is so important to young enquiring minds. Having schools closed for over 13 weeks per year is a completed waste of the children's abilities. and enthusiasm.
K
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"There is a case for extending term time and reducing school holidays to around 5 weeks per year."
So where is this case made?
"teaching standards have dropped so far"
Where is your evidence for this? I keep reading about record exam results in the media
Cheers
Bugs
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Teachers don't get holidays????
Hahahaha
Your best one yet, Corners! Oh no, maybe it's the one about 'hard work' to get into teaching!
Must be one of the easiest jobs ever to get into.......amply demonstrated by the abysmal standards of teaching these days.
sorry to burst your bubble once again, but we don't get paid holidays, While we have our salary paid over the year, we are only
paid to attend 195 days a year. If it were not so, why is it that if we are ill over non attendance days we do not get sick pay or can claim that time back.I explained this to you on page 3, you replied on page 3 (showing that you read my post) yet on page 9 you have appeared to forget all about it? I can only assume your are trolling or have a poor memory, As
the say in exam marking, I'll put you down as BOD (benefit of doubt)0 -
There was an interesting report on tonight's news about Barnsley council who have decided to cut the summer holiday but increase the autumn half term break from 2018.
What was the view of the first parent interviewed? "I'll just take my children out of school in July then".
So much for that theory then!
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"There is a case for extending term time and reducing school holidays to around 5 weeks per year."
So where is this case made?
"teaching standards have dropped so far"
Where is your evidence for this? I keep reading about record exam results in the media
Cheers
Bugs
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but, to be fair Ian has far more experience than me or most on here of a poor education, he only got two O levels at school.
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Teachers don't get holidays????
Hahahaha
Your best one yet, Corners! Oh no, maybe it's the one about 'hard work' to get into teaching!
Must be one of the easiest jobs ever to get into.......amply demonstrated by the abysmal standards of teaching these days.
sorry to burst your bubble once again, but we don't get paid holidays, While we have our salary paid over the year, we are only paid to attend 195 days a year. If it were not so, why is it that if we are ill over non attendance days we do not get sick pay or can claim that time back.
I explained this to you on page 3, you replied on page 3 (showing that you read my post) yet on page 9 you have appeared to forget all about it? I can only assume your are trolling or have a poor memory, As the say in exam marking, I'll put you down as BOD (benefit of doubt)
As you are still only on page 6 I'll put you down as CRC (can't really count).
Incidently, most people (in the real world of work) are 'only' paid to work about 47 weeks a year by your logic.......because they are on holiday for the other 5 weeks.
Dohhhh!
I do worry that you are allowed to 'educate' some people's poor children.
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