School holiday now?
Is there a school holiday at the moment?
The site we are on had loads of kids on site late yesterday and many of them were still here this morning. Their parents didn't pack up until well after 9am.
Also, as we left site at around 10am there were still lots of school age kids knocking about on site.
Is there an extra school holiday or do a lot of parents really not care about their kids' education?
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No schools closed for holidays around here Ian. Ours close on Friday afternoon 27th for a week.
Perhaps they're following the lead of the guy who won his case to take his kids out of school for a trip to Disneyland.
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No school holidays in our area. I don't think it is going to be that easy for parents to take their children out of school during term time despite the recent ruling. I have a feeling that the law will be 'tweeked'.
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No school holidays in our area. I don't think it is going to be that easy for parents to take their children out of school during term time despite the recent ruling. I have a feeling that the law will be 'tweeked'.
Write your comments here...If parents start to take their kids out of school during term time, could they not keep the schools open for a few weeks during the official shoolchildren's holidays so that those who missed out on some lessoms by being absent during term time, could catch up on missed subjects.
K.
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Who is going to staff these extra days, why should school staff have to give up their hols , which they pay premium prices for,to accomodate those who want them cheaper. Which is more important a few years of exotic holidays or wait until children are
older and ensure their education. We had cheap camping holidays until our children left school and then their travelling experiences began.they have since been to Australia (backpacking) , America, Carribean and most of europe.0 -
Not every parent is able to get school holidays off.
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Another two caravans arrived next to us yesterday (Thursday) with two early teenage kids and a cluster of others, mostly of school age, I would say.
Apparantly enquiries for holidays in term time are up......that idiot judge has a lot to answer for.
What will happen to all those bookings when they tighten up the wording about keeping kids in school......such that even gormless judges can understand them?
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A Church of England school in Gateshead has two weeks holiday for this half term, saying it gives parents the opportunity to book a holiday at a cheaper price. I'm assuming they work longer days or take less time off at other times of the year.
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I took my kids out of school, a few years back, for a once in a lifetime holiday to the USA. I did not ask the head teacher - I told him!
I had got a sum of £5K, my work holidays were fixed by order of seniority and I had no choice in the matter. Since then my kids have avowed that they did not suffer as a result and quickly (with our help) caught up on the missing parts of the curicculum.
Why can't todays parents do the same? Schools are now all too important with Heads thinking that they are the final arbiters in this matter. Tell them where to go!0 -
I took my kids out of school, a few years back, for a once in a lifetime holiday to the USA. I did not ask the head teacher - I told him!
I had got a sum of £5K, my work holidays were fixed by order of seniority and I had no choice in the matter. Since then my kids have avowed that they did not suffer as a result and quickly (with our help) caught up on the missing parts of the curicculum. Why can't todays parents do the same? Schools are now all too important with Heads thinking that they are the final arbiters in this matter. Tell them where to go!
agree with most of your post, but heads are not the final arbiters at all, they have to follow the guidelines (rules in effect) from the DfE, which state that they cannot authorise trem time holidays unless there are exceptional circumstances, and having getting a cheaper holiday is not exceptional circumsatnces (again quoted as such in the guidelines). If a parent thinks there are exceptional circumsatnces they should put that in writing. In effect parents can still tell them where to go as they can still take their child out of school.
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If in the future it becomes common practice to take children on holiday during term time. With the head teacher's permission of course. Surely those children could catch up on their missed subjects by keeping schools open with volunteer staff during the
standard children's holidays. Those volunteer staff could then take their holidays during term time and benefit from off peak holiday prices. A Win Win situation all round.k
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If in the future it becomes common practice to take children on holiday during term time. With the head teacher's permission of course. Surely those children could catch up on their missed subjects by keeping schools open with volunteer staff during the
standard children's holidays. Those volunteer staff could then take their holidays during term time and benefit from off peak holiday prices. A Win Win situation all round.k
You mean they wouldn't just give up their time for free.....as a sort of pay-back for all those holidays they get?
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If in the future it becomes common practice to take children on holiday during term time. With the head teacher's permission of course. Surely those children could catch up on their missed subjects by keeping schools open with volunteer staff during the
standard children's holidays. Those volunteer staff could then take their holidays during term time and benefit from off peak holiday prices. A Win Win situation all round.k
You mean they wouldn't just give up their time for free.....as a sort of pay-back for all those holidays they get?
Ian, get off K's bandwagon!
I was assuming he meant volunteer staff from the wider community, not just teaching staff. After all, it's such a piece of cake anyone could do it (as long as they only have 2 or 3 youngsters at a time of course!)
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If in the future it becomes common practice to take children on holiday during term time. With the head teacher's permission of course. Surely those children could catch up on their missed subjects by keeping schools open with volunteer staff during the
standard children's holidays. Those volunteer staff could then take their holidays during term time and benefit from off peak holiday prices. A Win Win situation all round.k
an interesting idea but totally unworkable in practice and very expensive. A typical school runs at 95% attendance (90% was the yardstick used in the famous court case) so in an average school would have about 50 plus pupils off throughout the year. So
we bring them in during the holidays. Now unless these absent pupils all took their time off in exactly the same weeks, AND they were all from the same class AND all had the same ability range, AND they were all from the same year group, imagine what this
group of children would be like to teach. Pupil A took a week off in October and is year 8 lower sets missed fractions, rivers, sentences....pupil B off in April year 11 higher set missed simultaneous equations, a character sketch of Atticus Finch, atomic
mas , pupil C off in June year 9 middle sets.... You get the idea, how could a teacher possibly cover all those subjects. Ofsted are quite keen that each subject is covered by a subject specialist. Mixed ability teaching went out decades ago, and mixed year
teaching was never even tried.And then there's the cost? A teacher takes a week off in April, their timetable will need covering, no you can't ask other teachers to cover a forseen absence so its supply teachers at £800 per week.
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If in the future it becomes common practice to take children on holiday during term time. With the head teacher's permission of course. Surely those children could catch up on their missed subjects by keeping schools open with volunteer staff during the
standard children's holidays. Those volunteer staff could then take their holidays during term time and benefit from off peak holiday prices. A Win Win situation all round.k
You mean they wouldn't just give up their time for free.....as a sort of pay-back for all those holidays they get?
I am always wary of showing up people's lack of knowledge but teachers do not get paid holidays. While we are paid over the year we are only paid for attending for 195 days a year. Those other days when away from school we are not paid for. We could get
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If in the future it becomes common practice to take children on holiday during term time. With the head teacher's permission of course. Surely those children could catch up on their missed subjects by keeping schools open with volunteer staff during the standard children's holidays. Those volunteer staff could then take their holidays during term time and benefit from off peak holiday prices. A Win Win situation all round.
k
You mean they wouldn't just give up their time for free.....as a sort of pay-back for all those holidays they get?
Write your comments here...Ha Ha Nice one Ian I like your logical thinking !!
-- but unusually that was not my suggestion, The volunteers would come from existing teaching staff who would be delighted to give freely of their expertise by teaching slightly larger classes and for just one extra hour per day. This would make up for the obvious diminution of staff due to the volunteers taking their holidays. Obviously department heads and Head teachers would be glad to spend teaching time at the chalk face.---- so as I said ---A win Win situation all round.
K
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If in the future it becomes common practice to take children on holiday during term time. With the head teacher's permission of course. Surely those children could catch up on their missed subjects by keeping schools open with volunteer staff during the
standard children's holidays. Those volunteer staff could then take their holidays during term time and benefit from off peak holiday prices. A Win Win situation all round.k
You mean they wouldn't just give up their time for free.....as a sort of pay-back for all those holidays they get?
I am always wary of showing up people's lack of knowledge but teachers do not get paid holidays. While we are paid over the year we are only paid for attending for 195 days a year. Those other days when away from school we are not paid for.
We could get another job or of course go away in the caravan.You think anyone else would employ someone with so little real life experience?
Anyway, the hours would probably kill them......
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If in the future it becomes common practice to take children on holiday during term time. With the head teacher's permission of course. Surely those children could catch up on their missed subjects by keeping schools open with volunteer staff during the
standard children's holidays. Those volunteer staff could then take their holidays during term time and benefit from off peak holiday prices. A Win Win situation all round.k
You mean they wouldn't just give up their time for free.....as a sort of pay-back for all those holidays they get?
I am always wary of showing up people's lack of knowledge but teachers do not get paid holidays. While we are paid over the year we are only paid for attending for 195 days a year. Those other days when away from school we are not paid for.
We could get another job or of course go away in the caravan.You think anyone else would employ someone with so little real life experience?
Anyway, the hours would probably kill them......
well of course there are jobs and jobs, Funnily enough I do have some holiday work planned this year, writing exam questions for next year's exam papers, its really well paid and a few hours a day should get
me about a hundred or so a day. Of course anyone could apply to do it, you just need the right qualifications and experienceOk and Kennine did you hear about that Scottish teacher who gave out what what on the exam paper before the exam?
story here I'm surprised you didn't post on that, after all you're so quick to post on English educational issues? You must have missed that one0 -
K - did I read the following correctly in your "request for friendly discussion" thread -
"The reason for this thread is to look forward to a nicer forum, not to continue age old opinions and prejudices."
And yet here we go again with the same old same old! I guess, then, that I'm allowed to say the "terrible twosome" are at it again!!
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Diverting the discussion by trying to run down another nations education system is interesting. ---------In My Opinion. There is no.difference both are as good or bad as the other.
Why should parents not take their kids out of school with the Head Teachers permission. ( head teacher's discretion )
--------now where have we heard the word discretion before Why should schools not make this possible by reforming their educational coverage. Education and family life go together hand in hand. this can mean parents taking their family on holiday during traditional term time.
School staff, if they care about education, should bend over backwards to embrace the 21st Century and changes in family circumstances. . What was good in the 19th century is not always applicable now.
k
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K - did I read the following correctly in your "request for friendly discussion" thread -
"The reason for this thread is to look forward to a nicer forum, not to continue age old opinions and prejudices."
And yet here we go again with the same old same old! I guess, then, that I'm allowed to say the "terrible twosome" are at it again!!
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We could get another job or of course go away in the caravan.
You think anyone else would employ someone with so little real life experience?
Anyway, the hours would probably kill them......
well of course there are jobs and jobs, Funnily enough I do have some holiday work planned this year, writing exam questions for next year's exam papers, its really well paid and a few hours a day should get
me about a hundred or so a day. Of course anyone could apply to do it, you just need the right qualifications and experienceYou think I would work for such a pittance? Anyway, I would probably die of boredom........
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