Wonderful news for Hillsborourgh
the family's must now feel elated good news all round
maybe now they can all rest in peace
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Why did it take all those years to get a verdict.? It could have been done in a few weeks ---I saw the news footage as it happened, ----I will never forget what I saw. --- It was obvious where the blame lay.---- The lawyers must have made a fortune.
K
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Yes kennine your right but we all now know the reason it took so long with so much evidence that had to be checked over and over whatever the reasons right or wrong they got there in the end ,yes it took to long but I think everybody in the country feels
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Yes I agree. I too watched it all on TV. Dreadful. Thank goodness the right verdict at last. May all 96 now rest in peace.
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Bradford, Hillsborough, the memories of both these tragedies are still raw in my mind. Watched the horrific events unfolding albeit on TV and the scars are shared. Both events could have been avoided and should never have happened! I do hope folk rest a little more easily tonight. Thank goodness for the far more stringent H&S we witness these days.
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Bradford, Hillsborough, the memories of both these tragedies are still raw in my mind. Watched the horrific events unfolding albeit on TV and the scars are shared. Both events could have been avoided and should never have happened! I do hope folk rest a
little more easily tonight. Thank goodness for the far more stringent H&S we witness these days.The difference is that while Bradford was an accident that should have been avoided, nodody lied to protect their ***k up like Dukenfield did at Hillsborough and statements were not altered to aportion blame to someone else.
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Bradford, Hillsborough, the memories of both these tragedies are still raw in my mind. Watched the horrific events unfolding albeit on TV and the scars are shared. Both events could have been avoided and should never have happened! I do hope folk rest a little more easily tonight. Thank goodness for the far more stringent H&S we witness these days.
The difference is that while Bradford was an accident that should have been avoided, nodody lied to protect their ***k up like Dukenfield did at Hillsborough and statements were not altered to aportion blame to someone else.
I only mentioned Bradford as the two tragedies stick firmly in my mind and so very sad. Appalling that it's taken so long for justice to begin.
With regard to Bradford, the following raises some questions http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/bradford-city/11539623/Bradford-fire-may-not-have-been-an-accident.html
Let's hope closure and justice will help healing. I cannot imagine the pain In all families and freinds effected by these events.
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This mornings news on BBC was very emotional brought a tear to my eye
what those family's have lived through all these yrs doesn't
bare thinking about such a tragic and unnecessary punishment to have to wait for all these years for a verdict all because lies ! lies ! lies ! despicable behaviour0 -
I'm not entirely sure I understand why the current CC has been suspended in relation to events 27 years ago.
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I'm not entirely sure I understand why the current CC has been suspended in relation to events 27 years ago.
Poor decision making, poor leadership, not honouring an apology given two years ago. He was not in position at the time of Hillsborough, but think Rotherham Child sex scandal, and all the appalling decisions and culture around that. SYP have been poorly
led continually since before the Miners Strike, early 1980's. Rank and file officers have to toe the line, do as the prevailing leadership and culture dictates. They have officers suspended now, before this outcome was announced. Background reading, different
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If you go to YouTube and watch the whole of Andy Burnham's speech in Parliament yesterday, a lot of the questions and incorrect reporting about Hillsborough is detailed. Part of the issue that drew out the resolution was that the Police, possibly other agencies,
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I wonder how long it will be before the likes of "injury lawers for you"and the like will be sniffing around..
I think that they've been there already!! The first private cases are already in the pipeline.
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I must be extremely naive, but I had hoped that the acceptance of the new Coroners Court's verdict would bring an end to this whole sorry saga. Alas it seems it will now continue in more & diverse court cases until
the world forgets why they are at each others throats just that they are !!So very, very sad.
Brian.
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I wonder if after this court case, changes will be made in security arrangements within football stadiums. Will football clubs provide their own stewards to maintain order, meaning that the police will no longer be required to be on duty within stadiums.
K
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There have been massive changes in how football stadia are designed, built, organised, staffed and supervised since 1989. Not just relating to Hillsborough, but other significant events as well.
I can only relate to the grounds I have visited as a spectator, but all have well organised ticket checking/number control, stewards ensuring visitors get to their allocated seat, stewards constantly monitoring how visitors behave, CC cameras monitoring
spectators, access gates carefully controlled to filter crowds, and depending upon the nature of the game, teams involved, an appropriate police presence. Not all grounds, particularly lower division/older grounds, have all the above. I was at Hillsborough
last year, Leppings Lane away end. Awful ground, only other we visited as bad was Oakwell at Barnsley. But lots of stewards, lots of helpers, appropriate amount of police.0 -
Yes, we watched those awful events unfold as well Golly. Not something you can easily forget. Used to be a big event locally, hosting one of semi finals. My Dad went to a couple of semi's in 1970's, wouldn't take me, said it was too dangerous, huge crowds
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My gut feeling is that any police force should not be held responsible for the behaviour of fans at events and that police should no longer do crowd control and it should be left to private security organisations.
I am wondering how much this whole episode has cost the taxpayer to date and how much more is it going to cost once the greedy lawyers submit claims for compensation for events that took place 27 years ago?
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Surfer - you may well be right that in future private security organisations should be responsible for crowd control. But let's be clear about the case we're discussing - the behaviour of the fans was NOT responsible for any of what took place (unless you're challenging the decision of the ongest inquest in Brish legal history) - the decision of one man was almost entirely the reason for what happened. Evereyone accepts that many of the police foot soldiers did their best on the day and the force as a whole cannot be held to be at fault.
But let's not try re-writing history so soon after the victims' families have at last seen (at least partial) justice done.
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Surfer - you may well be right that in future private security organisations should be responsible for crowd control. But let's be clear about the case we're discussing - the behaviour of the fans was NOT responsible for any of what took place (unless you're
challenging the decision of the ongest inquest in Brish legal history) - the decision of one man was almost entirely the reason for what happened. Evereyone accepts that many of the police foot soldiers did their best on the day and the force as a whole cannot
be held to be at fault.But let's not try re-writing history so soon after the victims' families have at last seen (at least partial) justice done.
I do disagree with the decision as I think it was a decision to appease a minority. Was it for justice or was it for compensation?
It is very tragic to lose a loved one, but it seems a minority of people or their lawyers did not want to accept the original decision of accidental death.
Pity the SY police messed up by trying to cover up when they weren't to blame anyway as a police officer is not trained for crowd control! Apparently similar has happened previously, but luckily no deaths.
Lesson learnt is that police shoudl not be used for crowd control at football matches!
Unfortunately this is going to now drag on for another couple of years as all the claims go in and the taxpayer coughs up.
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Are you a Sun reader by any chance, Surfer? I'm amazed that anyone should presume to disagree with the verdict of the inquest jury which spent 2 years listening to evidence and some considerable time reaching their verdict. Unbelievable!
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I was on holiday in Cyprus at the time of Hillsborough and knew nothing for a few days of the tragedy. I then phoned my best friend, who was my best mate at my wedding, and someone who, along with 3 other good friends, used to follow LFC both home and away.
He told me that he was lucky as he was in the stands but watched the events unfold with horror as his brother had a ticket for Leppings Lane. He felt paralysed with fear as he knew it was something out of the ordinary going on. A few minutes into the match he saw his brother being hoisted into the stands above. He had to go to hospital but thankfully made a full recovery.
My friend never saw any fan abuse the services or urinate on anyone or pick pocket the dead. He just people trying to help.
Believe me, there has never, ever been a sense of monetary compensation in the minds of those affected. They simply wanted Justice and accountability and the lies shown for what they were.
The bereaved families and friends have actually handled themselves with enormous dignity and to have to read the comments made by Surfer makes my blood boil. They are quite simply disgraceful and should be withdrawn.
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Are you a Sun reader by any chance, Surfer? I'm amazed that anyone should presume to disagree with the verdict of the inquest jury which spent 2 years listening to evidence and some considerable time reaching their verdict. Unbelievable!
Write your comments here...Juries have not always come up with the right verdicts. There have been many many mistakes by jurys where justice has not been served.
K
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Agreed, K, but are you suggesting that's the case here?
Write your comments here...This forum is not the place to discuss such a sensitive issue as what really happened in that dreadful day.
K
I agree with your sentiments which are spot on!
In which case why did you comment at all, and in such a controversial way? Surely you must have been expecting some response?
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Agreed, K, but are you suggesting that's the case here?
Write your comments here...This forum is not the place to discuss such a sensitive issue as what really happened in that dreadful day.
K
I agree with your sentiments which are spot on!
In which case why did you comment at all, and in such a controversial way? Surely you must have been expecting some response?
Why was an emotive post allowed to stay on the forum? I have every right to defend the SY Police and any other police force if I feel blame has been unfairly allocated as after all, it was NOT the police that crushed the fans, but other fans that created
the crush! Yes I do have a transcript although it is a summary.0
