I have committed a Crime

TheAdmiral
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edited March 2016 in General Chat #1

Pulled over for a number plate issue and the rozzer who was no old enough to have a driving licence told me that I had committed a Crime, I could not believe it, anyway the "Invoice" arrived this morning, fork ou £100 or else, haven't these people got better things to do, Numberplate recognition cameras the little lad said, B-----s I said, the Eurotunnel.Ferries,Camp Sites in France and Spain recognise my number plate, "you have committed a crime says the little lad.

Blood pressure checked, sky high, must go and have a lie down

Have a nice day

Admiral

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  • DavidKlyne
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    edited March 2016 #2

    You live in Bedfordshire where the Police and Crime Commissioner is very keen on raising extra money to finance his force. What was the transgression?

    David

  • JillwithaJay
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    edited March 2016 #3

    I too would be interested to know what he reckoned was wrong. They're not always right.  My OH was pulled 'for using a mobile phone whilst driving'.  Had to laugh because his phone was in his jacket pocket in the boot.  He wouldn't apologise though.

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  • Navigateur
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    edited March 2016 #4

    The number plate recognition works differently in different systems, and the "recognition" bit of software in some places is not sophisticated enought not to have difficulty with some of the attempts to make what is a simple serial number into words or names.

    So had I, until in a discussion with a local MOT tester he explained that many of the perpetrators could not spell anyway, and what they saw as a word was gobbledegook to the rest of us.

  • HelenandTrevor
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    edited March 2016 #5

    I remember by hubby being pulled over for allegedly speeding, was given a fixed penalty.  It Was over turned as his lorry tachograph recorded his speed and proved he wasn't speeding. He reckons they pulled him over as his gave them a wave as he went passed.UndecidedLaughing

    Mind you he got flashed a few weeks ago, had to do a speed awareness course.Sad

    Did they say what the number plate problem was?

  • tigerfish
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    edited March 2016 #6

    Bloody daft and  contrary to good public relations!  In my force the policy was, and I believe still is,- to issue a VDR in such circumstances.

    VDR  = Vehicle Defect Rectification.  They are used where a defect is found on a vehicle which is capable of being put right.  The driver is issued with an official notice of the defect and provided he/she reports to a nominated Police station within an agreed period, with the vehcle repaired or rectified, then no further action is taken.

    Good will is maintained, -  Defective vehicle repaired, and Road safety improved.

    You might want to write to your local Chef Officer or PCC      (Excuse me while I spit on the ground). Pointing out the minor nature of the offence and its detrimental effect on Police Public relations.

    TF

  • RedMick
    RedMick Forum Participant Posts: 173
    edited March 2016 #7

    The problem with 'personalised' plates, is that when the font or spacing is altered the ANPR camera cannot recognise the number. This leads to problems when the system 'flashes' a speeder, but can't recognise the number. 

       If your vehicle was stolen, the ANPR cameras, which may trace it, cannot 'see' the number plate to alert the authorities.

  • Rubytuesday
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    edited March 2016 #8

    Shocking Surprised off with his head I say Laughing

  • Briang
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    edited March 2016 #9

    All vehicle regs have to be a certain size and have to be legal so that the ANPR cameras can read the registration, if it cannot read you regs then your reg is illegal, and subject to a fine.

  • tigerfish
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    edited March 2016 #10

    RubyTuesday  -Well yes!  They did it to Admiral Byng.  Well shot him anyway,  ( to encourage the others).

    TF

  • Briang
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    edited March 2016 #11

    RubyTuesday  -Well yes!  They did it to Admiral Byng.  Well shot him anyway,  ( to encourage the others).

    TF

    Laughing

  • volvoman9
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    edited March 2016 #12

    Get on youtube Admiral and have a look at how many deal with this type of "harassment" these days from those that seem to have nothing better too do
    Undecided.Its a real eye opener.Take the road traffic "act" for instance.Acts are NOT laws for a start and when stopped you are under no
    obligation too answer any questions not even your name.Also to everybody i say get your mobile phone out and record everything that is said and done for your own protection and future reference.

    peter.

  • JillwithaJay
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    edited March 2016 #13

    TF will confirm, (I hope) that Road Traffic Acts are law, enacted by Parliament and, if stopped by a police officer in uniform, you are surely required to answer certain specific questions in order for him to
    identify you and produce documents, if required.

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  • Takethedogalong
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    edited March 2016 #14

    OH was recently passed some up to date information regarding just how vigilant or otherwise certain Constabularies are with regard to RT infringements. Some have an absolute zero tolerance, so the old speed limit + whatever % over does not apply in some
    circumstances, and anything over the limit will be penalised. Durham being a case in point, so beware you A1 commuters. There is a serious amount of money to be gained in this manner, and it is being collected! Having said that, can anyone recall seeing a
    proper Police motorway patrol car operating recently? All done remotely by cameras nowadays.

  • Metheven
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    edited March 2016 #15

    Wrong font, wrong spacing, wrong size, any of those then its illegal, 12 months solitary minimum
    Laughing

  • Navigateur
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    edited March 2016 #16

    Acts are NOT laws for a start and when stopped you are under no obligation too answer any questions not even your name.

    A chap up here took his advice from the Internet experts and . . .  well, read for yourselves!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-35772704

     

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  • Takethedogalong
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    edited March 2016 #17

    RubyTuesday  -Well yes!  They did it to Admiral Byng.  Well shot him anyway,  ( to encourage the others).

    TF

    Laughing

    Write your comments here...excellent idea, should be applied to elected representatives!Happy

  • EmilysDad
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    edited March 2016 #18

    Pulled over for a number plate issue and ....

    What was the crime?

  • tigerfish
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    edited March 2016 #19

    Peter,

    I dont agree with your interpretation which if followed by others is likely to get people into a lot of trouble!

    It is true that certain acts and sections do not in themslves  have any powers of arrest or have any duly upon you to assist in your prosecution etc. But the law overall does require you to supply your name and address to an officer sufficient for you to
    be identified etc etc Just as JillwithaJ said.

    My experience from both sides suggests that co-operation with a Police officer engaged in his duty to enforce the law is more likely to encourage him to use his discretion.  It may come as a surprise  to many but a properly appointed regular Police Officer
    (As apposed to a PCSO etc or local authority enforcement officer) does have discretion built into his powers.

    The Old style Traffc Wardens with Yellow bands also had discretion built into their powers.  They could give official warnings just like a Police Officer.  No other officials like Local authority parking wardens can, they just issue tickets!

    TF

  • Sianelen
    Sianelen Forum Participant Posts: 85
    edited March 2016 #20

    My husband owns a Motor Factors and the rules relating to producing number plates are very rigid. He has had to register and is audited regularly and will have a hefty fine if his records are
    not up to date:-
     www.gov.uk/register-as-number-plate-supplier

     Display of registration marks for a motor vehicles V796

    www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/207546/V796.pdf

     I would say the maker of your number plate is at fault! 

  • EmilysDad
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    edited March 2016 #21

    My husband owns a Motor Factors and the rules relating to producing number plates are very rigid.  ....

    which is made a mockery of when you can readily buy 'show plates' on the interweb.

  • JillwithaJay
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    edited March 2016 #22

    You can have anything you like put on a show plate just as Mollysmummy says.  I bought one for photo shoots.   

    The problem occurs when you use them on a vehicle on a public road.

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  • tigerfish
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    edited March 2016 #23

    Should we arrange a Captains table hearing for the Admiral?

    TF

  • ivorwetwun
    ivorwetwun Forum Participant Posts: 59
    edited March 2016 #24

    Get on youtube Admiral and have a look at how many deal with this type of "harassment" these days from those that seem to have nothing better too do
    Undecided.Its a real eye opener.Take the road traffic "act" for instance.Acts are NOT laws for a start and when stopped you are under no
    obligation too answer any questions not even your name.Also to everybody i say get your mobile phone out and record everything that is said and done for your own protection and future reference.

    peter.

    Write your comments here...If you are stopped for any offence, and refuse to answer any questions then you can be arrested.

    We still haven't found out what the dastardly deed was tho'.

    I agree with TF, in my force we usually dealt with it by way of a VDRS, but in some circumstances a ticket was warranted.

  • Rubytuesday
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    edited March 2016 #25

    Should we arrange a Captains table hearing for the Admiral?

    TF

    Write your comments here...lets have some fun and give him a kangaroo court instead  Laughing

  • EmilysDad
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    edited March 2016 #26

    Should we arrange a Captains table hearing for the Admiral?

    TF

    It's been a while since I heard that phrase! 

  • robsail
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    edited March 2016 #27

    Do they still make you walk the plank

    Or

    Keep haul you?

    Mind you there are a lot of personalised plates that are iffy!

  • moulesy
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    edited March 2016 #28

    On the subject of personalised registrations, can anyone explain to me why so many people choose the digits "666" for their plates? Seems like tempting fate to me! Undecided

  • TheAdmiral
    TheAdmiral Forum Participant Posts: 506
    edited March 2016 #29

    Should we arrange a Captains table hearing for the Admiral?

    TF

    TF, I was stopped due to incorrect spacing as follows

    MR13 YNG    This is deemed to be correct and legal

    MR 13YNG This is why I was stopped as it is illegal and fined £100, petty or what ?

    Other numbers that i have noted are far worse than mine such as

    J1LL  J,  T4FF  P, RB  V12, S  5TUD, S  80WRN, and a real gem that I saw last week at the Heritage Motor Museum at Gaydon    F1  0MFG (honest I even took a photo of it on a Porche 911)

    Admiral  Sad

  • scoutman
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    edited March 2016 #30

    I believe that is also a MOT failure

  • ivorwetwun
    ivorwetwun Forum Participant Posts: 59
    edited March 2016 #31

    Should we arrange a Captains table hearing for the Admiral?

    TF

    TF, I was stopped due to incorrect spacing as follows

    MR13 YNG    This is deemed to be correct and legal

    MR 13YNG This is why I was stopped as it is illegal and fined £100, petty or what ?

    Other numbers that i have noted are far worse than mine such as

    J1LL  J,  T4FF  P, RB  V12, S  5TUD, S  80WRN, and a real gem that I saw last week at the Heritage Motor Museum at Gaydon    F1  0MFG (honest I even took a photo of it on a Porche 911)

    Admiral  Sad

    Write your comments here...If true it was petty, but why on earth would you display it like that?