Dog dies after being deliberately run over by

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  • mickysf
    mickysf Forum Participant Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭
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    edited February 2016 #32

    A waste of money if they go ahead with an inquiry

    Sometimes we have to accept the best decision was taken at the time of the incident and leave it at that

    Yes id agree with that word sometimes! Sometimes the decision at the time is best left sometimes not! Depends on the circumstances  of each case and the repercussions for others.

  • jeffcc
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    edited February 2016 #33

    Quote from the owner of the dog:-

    Chf Supt Sacha Hatchett said: "He [the owner] said he appreciates that given the risk to human life, the officers made the correct decision. He is supportive of the police as had there been a serious accident he said he could not have lived with himself."

    So why the enquiry??

    and before anyone gets up in arms i am a dog owner, but better the dog than the alternative.Frown. Use left and right arrows to navigate.

  • mickysf
    mickysf Forum Participant Posts: 6,474 ✭✭✭
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    edited February 2016 #34

    in my experience of enquiries these have lead to an evaluation of circumstances/actions and possible suggested improvements to future similar events. Even when sometimes they establish that there was no alternative action such enquires are no bad thing in
    many cases.

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited February 2016 #35

    The Police are proving they are neither above the law nor too arrogant to learn by mistakes. The inquiry will either vindicate the Police or make suggestions for a different action in the future. Well done to the Police service for reporting themselves. 

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  • avondriver
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    edited February 2016 #37

    Think that the Welsh police are not helped by the fact that on Thursday a similar incident on the M5 had a happy ending as the police took different action. 

  • Kennine
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    edited February 2016 #38

    Fancy the police putting the safty of people before dogs! 

    I would haver thought the owner of that dog should be the one facing  inquiry.

    Write your comments here...Yes I agree - To let his dog run out of control on a public highway plus the damage to the police vehicle plus allowing his dog to bite a police officer is criminal and he should be prosecuted, tried, convicted and spend a few months in the clink. 

    Cool

  • SteveL
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    edited February 2016 #39

    I would assume the owner will be prosecuted for having a dog dangerously out of control in a public place. Especially as I believe it bit a police officer.

  • ivorwetwun
    ivorwetwun Forum Participant Posts: 59
    edited February 2016 #40

    The police can shut motorways and a roads when there is an accident, why didn't they put a couple of police cars on this road and closed it. They do it for traffic accidents. The police officer who ran over this dog should be put up in court for animal cruelty.
    I am an amimal lover and this should not have been allowed to happen.

    Write your comments here...Are you serious ??

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited February 2016 #41

    Fancy the police putting the safty of people before dogs! 

    I would haver thought the owner of that dog should be the one facing  inquiry.

    Yes they do that here AD, is it not the same whilst you are incontinent?, very surprising indeed.

  • Briang
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    edited February 2016 #42

    The police can shut motorways and a roads when there is an accident, why didn't they put a couple of police cars on this road and closed it. They do it for traffic accidents. The police officer who ran over this dog should be put up in court for animal cruelty.
    I am an amimal lover and this should not have been allowed to happen.

    Write your comments here...Are you serious ??

    Off course i'm serious no animal should have to be run over and killed. Would you like your dog run over. 

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  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited February 2016 #45

    No problem ADCool

  • ivorwetwun
    ivorwetwun Forum Participant Posts: 59
    edited February 2016 #46

    The police can shut motorways and a roads when there is an accident, why didn't they put a couple of police cars on this road and closed it. They do it for traffic accidents. The police officer who ran over this dog should be put up in court for animal cruelty.
    I am an amimal lover and this should not have been allowed to happen.

    Write your comments here...Are you serious ??

    Off course i'm serious no animal should have to be run over and killed. Would you like your dog run over. 

    Write your comments here...So we close the motorway because of a stray dog, cause miles of tailbacks, hours of misery for motorists, thousands of pounds lost to industry, I think not.

  • SteveL
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    edited February 2016 #47

    The police can shut motorways and a roads when there is an accident, why didn't they put a couple of police cars on this road and closed it. They do it for traffic accidents. The police officer who ran over this dog should be put up in court for animal cruelty. I am an amimal lover and this should not have been allowed to happen.

    Write your comments here...Are you serious ??

    Off course i'm serious no animal should have to be run over and killed. Would you like your dog run over. 

    Closing a road of this type and diverting traffic  is a major undertaking. Pushing vehicles including HGV's onto roads that are not meant to carry them, can in itself result in accidents. At the end of the day it is a judgement call made by the police in the front line. It is all too easy to criticise. If the officers had closed the road and this had resulted in major congestion and an accident involving injury, they would have been pilloried for that. They were placed in a no win situation.

  • artyboo
    artyboo Forum Participant Posts: 457
    edited February 2016 #48

    From what I have read (yes I always believe the papers!!!!!!!) the Policeman had caught the pooch and then was bitten; he then lost control ( how many of you superheroes wouldn't have done the same?). Justified under the circumstances but then my dog would
    not have been loose on the road. I love my dogs but would not hesitate to understand if this had h.appened to them had I failed to control them. 

  • Whittakerr
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    edited February 2016 #49

     

     

    Off course i'm serious no animal should have to be run over and killed. Would you like your dog run over. 

    if I had a dog it would be on a short lead and not allowed to run Wild causing mayhem.

  • Nuggy
    Nuggy Forum Participant Posts: 512
    edited February 2016 #50

    Guess what has just happened this morning on a fast A road in Cardiff. Two dogs got loose and ran onto the carriageway and caused a three car pile up and someone was hurt, thankfully not killed. If proof was ever needed to show the consequences and that the Police in Conwy did the right thing, it has just happened. 

    I prefer not to have the accident. Have a look at the Welsh BBC news.

  • Bugs
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    edited February 2016 #51

    The police can shut motorways and a roads when there is an accident, why didn't they put a couple of police cars on this road and closed it. They do it for traffic accidents. The police officer who ran over this dog should be put up in court for animal cruelty. I am an amimal lover and this should not have been allowed to happen.

    Write your comments here...Are you serious ??

    Off course i'm serious no animal should have to be run over and killed. Would you like your dog run over. 

    Write your comments here...So we close the motorway because of a stray dog, cause miles of tailbacks, hours of misery for motorists, thousands of pounds lost to industry, I think not.

    The more I listen to humans saying things like this - the more I prefer animals. Oh dear, tailbacks (put the radio on), so-called "misery" (eh? - compared with loss of life?), and the crazy industry/economics argument which seems to be the only factor that counts these days?

    So a dog has to lose its life to ensure a few humans get to work or home a bit earlier? (at 3am??)

    Really?

     

  • ABM
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    edited February 2016 #52

    With  you  all  the  way  on  this  Bugs  !!

  • rayjsj
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    edited February 2016 #53

    We now see there is to be an enquiry- Anmal Health, RSPCA et al. The dog will still be dead.

    correct. And who pays for all thisSealed

    Write your comments here...well as the RSPCA is a charity, the contributers. I am also a dog lover, but believe in this particular case the Police had no choice, however I think that a Grasper(a sliding non-lethal noose on a pole) should be standard equipment in a police car boot. They take up little space and can be used on many animals.I think the dogs owners bear the major responsibility. For allowing the dog to be loose near a major road, it wasn't the dogs fault.  But he paid the price for their stupidity.

     As for me, I prefer my Dogs to most Humans.I guess that makes me insane.? 

  • huskydog
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    edited February 2016 #54

    Ah, another dog discussion ending in insultsUndecided

  • ivorwetwun
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    edited February 2016 #55

    Really!

    Bugs, you and I probably will never agree, but that doesn't make you right either.

    As an ex traffic officer of 23 years +, I can tell you that the decision to close a motorway is never taken lightly, as it needs several units in order to sign and cone the motorway, etc, and at 3 am in the morning I would say that North Wales traffic
    would be very stretched.

    I have over the years dealt with many stray animals on the motorway, including horses, sheep, and numerous dogs. I have also been lucky in that I have never had to kill any dogs, they normally come to you, and I have in the past given them a lift.

    I have also had to move the remains of many dogs from the carriageway, which is not pleasant believe me!

    In this case the dog did not appear "friendly" and, as such could not be caught, so even if the officer had a "grasper" he probably couldn't get near it.

    At the end of the day, the officer was there, we weren't, he made the call, rightly or wrongly.

  • Briang
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    edited February 2016 #56

    At the end of the day, the officer was there, we weren't, he made the call, rightly or wrongly.

    Definatly a wrong call. Who gives that policeman the right to take a life.

  • mickysf
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    edited February 2016 #57

    At the end of the day, the officer was there, we weren't, he made the call, rightly or wrongly.

    Definatly a wrong call. Who gives that policeman the right to take a life.

    I guess the answer to that is they have the right to potentially save lives by such actions. You never know that life saved could be 'your' son or daughter! I'll bet the decission was not taken lightly and that they really do wish that another possible alternative was open to them at that time! Afterall they apparently were dog lovers too!

  • Briang
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    edited February 2016 #58

    At the end of the day, the officer was there, we weren't, he made the call, rightly or wrongly.

    Definatly a wrong call. Who gives that policeman the right to take a life.

    I guess the answer to that is they have the right to potentially save lives by such actions. You never know that life saved could be 'your' son or daughter! I'll bet the decission was not taken lightly and that they wish that an other alternative was open
    to them!

    There was an alternative don't do it. It seems to me that the police can do whatever they want.

  • mickysf
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    edited February 2016 #59

    At the end of the day, the officer was there, we weren't, he made the call, rightly or wrongly.

    Definatly a wrong call. Who gives that policeman the right to take a life.

    I guess the answer to that is they have the right to potentially save lives by such actions. You never know that life saved could be 'your' son or daughter! I'll bet the decission was not taken lightly and that they wish that an other alternative was open
    to them!

    There was an alternative don't do it. It seems to me that the police can do whatever they want.

    Write your comments here...with all due respect that is so very easy to say and just a tad crass, we were not there, we did not have to make that very difficult decision thankfully. 

  • ivorwetwun
    ivorwetwun Forum Participant Posts: 59
    edited February 2016 #60

    At the end of the day, the officer was there, we weren't, he made the call, rightly or wrongly.

    Definatly a wrong call. Who gives that policeman the right to take a life.

    I guess the answer to that is they have the right to potentially save lives by such actions. You never know that life saved could be 'your' son or daughter! I'll bet the decission was not taken lightly and that they wish that an other alternative was open
    to them!

    There was an alternative don't do it. It seems to me that the police can do whatever they want.

    Write your comments here...Another misguided comment.

    The police service as a whole is probably more accountable than any other profession.

  • SteveL
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    edited February 2016 #61

     

    There was an alternative don't do it. It seems to me that the police can do whatever they want.

    Just out of interest, if a person had been killed in a RTA as a result of what the police did to save, rather than kill the dog, would your opinion be that they did the right thing?