How can we liven this section up?
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missed it again I see I personally can't see why anyone would want to spoil this thread with comments that had to be removed. The mind boggles. Anyway TF you tried
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Roobz, tried?, I'd say TF totally succeeded
, it was a well viewed & supported thread. It seems that tension & bickering=bums on seats.
The boy TF done good
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Roobz, tried?, I'd say TF totally succeeded
, it was a well viewed & supported thread. It seems that tension & bickering=bums on seats.
The boy TF done goodWrite your comments here...wholeheartedly agree
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Been a good thread thank you TF. Pity the thread hijackers had a go at spoiling it, but they were unsuccessful.
Making a section of any forum more lively really depends on how the rules are written and applied by the forum management.
K
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Agreed. Am trying other Fora at the moment just to see how they compare. Have been a member of Pprune the aviation forum for many years and in my very umble opinion they have managed things light years better.
They have their "Moderators" but they rarely get involved. They NEVER move threads, but mainly rely on experienced members themselves to point out to the miscreants that they are off thread, or posting in an innapropriate area. Full PM facility. No stars but a post count so that others can easily see how long X has been a member, and how many posts they have filed. Also brief details of member indicating if Pilot or just enthusiast.
I remain of the opinion that our over regulated Ts&Cs have resulted in a bland and a lack lustre Forum. I will not just walk away, but will never take the soft option of just accepting such a poorly performing facility. With just a little better management it could be so much better.
Now looking at other caravanning fora. But listening out!
TF
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I looked in at this Pprune forum, first thread I came across, seems it can be as problematic as any other forum
Quote "Since PPRuNe Deleted User the last thread I thought I would start it again to see if our good friend "Normal Pilot" (possibly mangament posing as a pilot) had made a decision about staying in FR or going to BA?"
UnquoteQuote "I Deleted User the post, as my questions had been answered. The rest of the post just turned into the usual PPRuNe crap, slagging people off, no use for anyone."
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I looked in at this Pprune forum, first thread I came across, seems it can be as problematic as any other forum
Quote "Since PPRuNe Deleted User the last thread I thought I would start it again to see if our good friend "Normal Pilot" (possibly mangament posing as a pilot) had made a decision about staying in FR or going to BA?"
UnquoteQuote "I Deleted User the post, as my questions had been answered. The rest of the post just turned into the usual PPRuNe crap, slagging people off, no use for anyone."
UnquoteSo the CC forum is not unique then
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Agreed. Am trying other Fora at the moment just to see how they compare. Have been a member of Pprune the aviation forum for many years and in my very umble opinion they have managed things light years better.
They have their "Moderators" but they rarely get involved. They NEVER move threads, but mainly rely on experienced members themselves to point out to the miscreants that they are off thread, or posting in an innapropriate area. Full PM facility. No stars
but a post count so that others can easily see how long X has been a member, and how many posts they have filed. Also brief details of member indicating if Pilot or just enthusiast.I remain of the opinion that our over regulated Ts&Cs have resulted in a bland and a lack lustre Forum. I will not just walk away, but will never take the soft option of just accepting such a poorly performing facility. With just a little better management
it could be so much better.Now looking at other caravanning fora. But listening out!
TF
Well put Brian.
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No Forum will be 'everything to everyone' for every change that pleases some an equal amount will see it as a bad move & complain
Tip-take
the bits you like, skip over the bits you don't. . . .It makes for a less stressful life. To those who are not happy unless they're unhappy-rejoice, your unhappiness is really making you happy in an unhappy/happy way
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me neither, I only write the stuff I don't understand it0 -
No Forum will be 'everything to everyone' for every change that pleases some an equal amount will see it as a bad move & complain
Tip-take the bits you like, skip over the bits you don't. . . .It makes for a less stressful life. To those who are not happy unless they're unhappy-rejoice, your unhappiness is really making you happy in an unhappy/happy way no?, me neither, I only write the stuff I don't understand itWrite your comments here...Thats why it's advisable to be a member of a number of forums. There will always be discussions of interest. When one forum becomes bland and boring, use the others.
K
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Kennine, this will just have to stop. We are agreeing with each other far more than ever before and some might think that that is unhealthy!
But it was that "blandness" that I was trying to address. I fully accept that this is entirely a matter of personal opinion but I honestly do feel that in trying to over control the Forum the managers set the Ts & Cs far too rigidly. It is that error that then allowed some moderators to rigidly enforce the Ts & Cs to the extent that has resulted in this overpowering blandness. Again I stress that the foregoing was a personal opinion only.
But I like many others use the General Area as my first point of contact before moving on - Sometimes to other areas of interest. So - What is wrong for example with allowing some leeway, and allowing a wrongly placed post to remain in "General" for a couple of days to get established, before then moving it off to a more suitable permanent place?
I am too old a bunny now to get over excited about this or even over heated! People will disagree with me and that is fine.
However as a relatively early member I do remember the earlier days with some affection. Yes there were spats but nothing that couldnt be handled and at least it wasn't so bland!
TF
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Kennine, this will just have to stop. We are agreeing with each other far more than ever before and some might think that that is unhealthy!
But it was that "blandness" that I was trying to address. I fully accept that this is entirely a matter of personal opinion but I honestly do feel that in trying to over control the Forum the managers set the Ts & Cs far too rigidly. It is that error that then allowed some moderators to rigidly enforce the Ts & Cs to the extent that has resulted in this overpowering blandness. Again I stress that the foregoing was a personal opinion only.
But I like many others use the General Area as my first point of contact before moving on - Sometimes to other areas of interest. So - What is wrong for example with allowing some leeway, and allowing a wrongly placed post to remain in "General" for a couple of days to get established, before then moving it off to a more suitable permanent place?
I am too old a bunny now to get over excited about this or even over heated! People will disagree with me and that is fine.
However as a relatively early member I do remember the earlier days with some affection. Yes there were spats but nothing that couldnt be handled and at least it wasn't so bland!
TF
Write your comments here...I also remember the early days with affection TF and although people did not always agree, it was good to read a variety of opinions.
I can honestly say that I, during the life of this forum, have never been intimidated or felt uncomfortable by anything posted. I enjoyed the cheeky banter, the gentle windups and the great feeling of cameraderie then. Some of it directed at me, but not a problem, all done as kenny Everet would say " in the best possible taste".
Yes TF it's good to agree with other forum members.
K
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I belong to a couple of other fora, concerned with motorcycles. Now, everyone knows what an uncouth argumentative abusive rabble that 'bikers' are. And yet, without intrusive moderation, everyone seems to get along quite happily, without many of the spats
that have cropped up here in the past.When someone steps out of line on the motorcycling fora, it is usually peer pressure rather than moderation that resolves the conflict. That said, folks who simply won't behave just get banned.
I won't pass judgement upon what this appears to say about the caravanning comunity .....
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I'm sorry TF but I don't understand why the moderators are to blame for this.
If you look at the first few pages of General Chat the posts that have been moved are clearly in completely the wrong place.
I'm sure many people come to GC as their first port of call but I'm sure that many like me don't. Why would a 'technical' post get more established here?
People clearly enjoy the posts you mention in your OP. I'm afraid that the blandness of a forum depends on what is posted and not what the moderators do to keep things in the right place.
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I'm sorry TF but I don't understand why the moderators are to blame for this.
If you look at the first few pages of General Chat the posts that have been moved are clearly in completely the wrong place.
I'm sure many people come to GC as their first port of call but I'm sure that many like me don't. Why would a 'technical' post get more established here?
People clearly enjoy the posts you mention in your OP. I'm afraid that the blandness of a forum depends on what is posted and not what the moderators do to keep things in the right place.
Write your comments here...JS, The moderators are only following the instructions of the Forum Manager,--- My personal opinion is that the moderators have nothing to be blamed for. If anybody is unhappy with the way the forum is now being run they should EMail the forum manager direct. ----------- Don't expect a reply though.
K
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Getting back to the topic of "livening up this Section" - I don't think it would be fair to do this, as you seem to suggest TF, by using discussions which are appropriate to the other Forum Sections.
If someone starts a discussion about caravans in General Chat, you seem to be suggesting that members like yourself who make a personal choice only to frequent General Chat should have the privilege of responding first?
Then after a few days, the discussion can be moved with your blessing to the Caravans Section where members actually go to read about and discuss erm Caravans!
Is it not better the forum way - ie discussions are in the correct areas and, for example members who wish to read the Caravans Section can see all posts on Caravans?
Cheers
Bugs
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Whilst there is sometimes some ambiguity as to where to place a post, most of the ones that need moving are down to the OP being too lazy/thick to post it in the correct section.
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Bugs I'm not going to continue this because it is clearly going nowhere. But you know that I wasn't meaning something as blatantly wrong as discussing a Caravan in the General section, but something slightly less direct than that. but for me it is the sheer speed that you in particular seem, to move things on.
You clearly do not appreciate me having a contrary view, so as I said before, I accept that what I have said is my personal view, and I realise that others will disagree, so I will leave it there.
TF
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Come on, TF. You're not really leaving this thread are you?
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No TW, All I said was that I couldn't see the point of debating it with Bugs because he cannot or will not see it from any other position other than the official one. I guess that is the required position of the moderators in this regime.
One of my passions and appreciations has always been that of Leadership. Nelson, and others too excelled in that wonderful affliction, - "The Blind Eye" It is something I too have had to use in the past. Not the CC management I suspect!
TF
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No TW, All I said was that I couldn't see the point of debating it with Bugs because he cannot or will not see it from any other position other than the official one. I guess that is the required position of the moderators in this regime.
One of my passions and appreciations has always been that of Leadership. Nelson, and others too excelled in that wonderful affliction, - "The Blind Eye" It is something I too have had to use in the past. Not the CC management I suspect!
TF
TF, you've been around this forum long enough to know how it works. What CC management do, or don't do, is not the same thing as the way Bugs and other Champs carry out their roles. Bugs gives freely of his time to help ensure this forum runs the way it
should. He sticks to the T&Cs which is what we should all do and, instead of appreciating his efforts, you seem to constantly criticise him. Goodness knows, I've had my run-ins with mods in the past but, in this event, I say clearly
Bugs is right and you are firmly in the wrong.It's the old story, TF, you know what the rules are and, if you want to use the forum, simply abide by them and all will be well.
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Tigerfish said:
"I remain of the opinion that our over regulated Ts&Cs have resulted in a bland and a lack lustre Forum. I will not just walk away, but will never take the soft option of just accepting such a poorly performing facility. With just a little better management it could be so much better."
I just wanted to say that I so much agree with this. It sums up the problem of this forum completely. The main fault is silly over picky moderation, a pathetic desperation to avoid even the slightest controversy (the letters page in the mag is now the same) extreme intransigence in thinking their way is best and way too many sections.
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I couldn't disagree more I'm afraid.
Things are moved to the place they should have been posted so that people with an interest in the subject matter can actually find them. Why is that over picky? It's just doing what the original poster should have done. Do we need controversy on a caravanning
forum? Really?General Chat is just a dumping ground for things that don't belong anywhere else.
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TW and Jayess! I learn from your comments that CT is as perfect as is possible, and that any attempt to bring any improvement is not only unwelcome but must be resisted at all costs. Ok so be it! Happy to accept your absolute wisdom on
such matters. For myself, I still feel that CT has gone too far in respect of regulation. But obviously you are much more wise on such matters!Now what was that saying ? Rules are for the Guidance of wise men, and the absolute adherance of lesser souls!
I find discussions on the weather and what members are thinking of doing today quite riveting, but I think that I will gain more stimulation from doing a Crossword puzzle.
Guys its been fun, but this thread is also getting boring!
TF
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CT is a long way from being perfect TF but it will not go back to the days of old. If topics don't interest you then don't open them but try to consider how hurtful your comments may be to the people who enjoy those threads.
I don't claim to be wise.
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Nor do I but I can see what is clear as day.
TF, sarcasm is not necessary - why employ it?
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The moral of this thread is ------ No member should suggest that the forum could be improved. To do so incurs the wrath of the "This forum is perfect" brigade.
This forum is NOT perfect. It was much better when it first went live. It could benefit from a number of improvements.
Some people need to clean their "Rose tinted Glasses"
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