Global warming
I have to confess, whilst I accept that the planet is warming, ever so slightly, I am not of the belief that it is cased by man, but our glorious leaders have come to an agreement in Paris limiting temperature rise to 1.5 or 2 deg above current temperatures.
My question is, what is the correct temperature for the planet?
There is evidence that the planet was significantly warmer a thousand years ago, and significantly colder some three hundred years ago when markets were held on the frozen Thames.
So at what point in the fluctuating temperatures do we select in order to cap the rise?
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Exactly so Ivor. What are the natural cycles of cooling and warming over the past million years or so. Without knowing these figures how can anyone suggest anything is amiss? OK so theories are ten a penny but I cannot see that any would have a solid basis
on which to establish proof. Having said that I am in general agreement to clean up the atmosphere - have been to China and it is a permanent smog that they live under in their cities.0 -
Until it's too late and irreversible. What legacy are we going to leave for our children and grand children.
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I,ve heard far too many conflicting views over the last ten years to come too any conclusion.The only thing i do know for sure is its costing myself and everyone else money wether we like it or not and its going too continue costing us money.The jury is still out on this one.
peter.
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I,ve heard far too many conflicting views over the last ten years to come too any conclusion.The only thing i do know for sure is its costing myself and everyone else money wether we like it or not and its going too continue costing us money.
peter.
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It's yet another 'bandwagon' they can use to extract money from us under the guise of doing something.
Yet whatever is decided by the powers that be,this planet of ours will continue to evolve in it's own interminable way.Clean up the cities by all means ,but that too is controlled by big business and financial gain !! IMO.0 -
The fact that the Thames froze regularly in past times is not necessarily an indication of global temperatures. Regional climate change and global warming may cause some areas to cool while others become warmer. It's the average whole earth temperature which
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I don't see much point in quoting stats from over 300 years ago as the Industrial revolution and its burning of fossil fuels on a ginormous basis changed a largely agricultural world into an industrial one.
It may well be correct that the earth is going through one of its cycles of warming but we seem to be pouring oil onto the burning fire and who's to say whether the earth will be able to reverse the warming by itself. I don't believe it will.
Anyway nature tells you that something is wrong. Plankton are moving further north as the waters around the North of Scotland are ;too warm for it. Let's face it Paris isn't about stopping or reversing warming it's only about slowing the warming down. IMO
we need to start getting rid of the build up of CO2 to try to reverse this warming.0 -
The glorious outcome of the Paris conference is the major polluters have signed up. In the past only a few had agreed to abide by the rules. If the agreement is solid & every signatory sticks to the agreement we may in decades to come see if it is a natural
phenomenon or man made, in the past I have been very cynical about the man made theory but I am open to facts-incontrovertible facts not 'best guesses' that are then blown out of the water by others 'best guesses' give us the truth, something we can understand.0 -
These so called experts seem to be looking at a very short time scale. The weather has changed dramatically since ever.What they think we mere humans can really do against nature baffles me. Just look at Harlech Castle.Built by Edward 1st (very short time
scale). It was at the seaside. Now the sea is miles away.0 -
I'm not sure about the whole the planet is warming thing. However I do belive that the destruction of the rain forrests are not helping, they are the planets lungs and filters, without them the planet will not be able to mend itself. So in some ways man
has caused the problem. I believe the planet is always evolving so getting warmer then colder is normal, but I do think we need to give it a hand.0 -
And then there were the very vocal, very wrong flat earth believers! The more we can do now the better, our towns are far better places to live since the clean air act, now 'we' act globally!
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If I'm not mistaken, the clean air act of the 1950's dealt with pollution caused by soot and sulphur dioxide, not CO2, and it made people switch to smokeless fuels, amongs other things.
the scientists of today are divided 50/50 as to the causes of global warming.
Take a look at Piers Corbyn on YouTube who backs up his theories with facts, that appear to show man is not at fault, unlike Al Gore in the mid 90's with his "hockey stick" graph stating we would all be dead by 2015.
Incidentally, it made Gore $millions
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I totally agree, there is no need to abuse our planet! Yes, the clean air act aimed to reduce the pollutants described but the fact that global atmospheric CO2 levels also had risen 40% during the industrial revolution speaks volumes about the problems we contribute to and face now and in that of the future. This problem was identified as mostly eminating from the industrial northern hemisphere. Better, recognise the possibilities of cause and learn from our mistakes rather than hide our heads! I do recognise that other opinions are available just like described in my previous post!
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OK, imagine 2 scenarios:
1. The people wanting some action to clean the pollution up or at least slow it down manage to win the argument and the naysayers agree. Years from now the scientists agree they got it wrong. What has happened? Plenty of alternative clean technology has
been introduced and people have been healthier due to less smog and pollution in the atmosphere. Sorry about that.2. The naysayers win the argument, nothing is changed and years from now they admit that we cannot fix the warming that we have helped to cause. Migrants are now fleeing areas around the equator as they can't farm etc.etc. The ice cap has melted and the
weather has become more extreme.Sorry about all that.So whose decision has the worse consequences for humankind if they are wrong?
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Occam's razor, anyone?
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Occam's razor, anyone?
Occam's it is then. . . .Global warming?, merely a periodic & natural cycle of the Earths warming/cooling. . . .Sorted
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I still think we should play safe and go for Option 1
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This Global Warming nonsense is just a ruse designed around those wanting to line their pockets at other people's expense. This earth in which we all live, has for millions of years heated up and cooled down in natural cycles. What we are seeing at the moment is just a natural cycle in the life of the earth. There is no point in trying to fight nature, it will happen no matter what you do. just like you cannot stop the tide from ebbing and flowing. Just enjoy living on this earth as it is, cos you ain't going to change anything.
K
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This Global Warming nonsense is just a ruse designed around those wanting to line their pockets at other people's expense. This earth in which we all live, has for millions of years heated up and cooled down in natural cycles. What we are seeing at the moment is just a natural cycle in the life of the earth. There is no point in trying to fight nature, it will happen no matter what you do. just like you cannot stop the tide from ebbing and flowing. Just enjoy living on this earth as it is, cos you ain't going to change anything.
K
Write your comments here...please give us that categorial evidence you clearly seem to hold which proves we humans have not added to this problem in a detremental way and can't ntribured to any natural global weather, climate or warming patterns! There are many scientists and lay folk who would just love to see this! Until then, I guess we should all try to protect our world, it's habitats, all it's inhabitants and environments as best we possibly can.
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There seems to be too much vested financial interest in all this. The guy in the front row -Al Gore has made a fortune out of warming scaremongering. The alternative renewable industry is riven by vested interest, We the consumers are being ripped off all
the time in this. The latest deal invoves massive payments to others and we know all too often these monies go into the wrong hands. Until I see a proper balanced reason to prove it is mankind who is responsible for the climate change I stand unconvinced0 -
And then there were the very vocal, very wrong flat earth believers! The more we can do now the better, our towns are far better places to live since the clean air act, now 'we' act globally!
the scientists of today are divided 50/50 as to the causes of global warming.
No they are not.
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In February, I will be driving my gas guzzling caravan tug down to the port of Southampton, board a cruise ship,and sail to the Caribbean for 28 days.
I will probably a) Eat too much
b) Drink too much
c) Smoke a few good cigars
d) Fart a lot.
But I will rest easy, knowing that back at home my boiler will be ticking over at 10 deg. Thereby negating any global warming issues.
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Unless it's a square rigger following the trade winds, you'll still have a carbon footprint. Bigger or smaller - who knows.
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Not sure it matters who is right and wrong, if we as a species do as much as we can to limit our emissions, we have at least covered that option. As to the other theories there is not a lot we can do in that repect, except perhaps to plan for the affects
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It's begining to feel a lot like 'Summer'!
Every where I go!
just like 100yrs ago
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You couldn't make it up.
Successive governments have failed to invest in electricity production, be it coal or gas fired power stations, nuclear, wind farm, etc, etc, so much so that in a cold snap we are barely producing enough electricity.
Now it seems, under the new agreements signed this week, gas cookers and boilers will be outlawed in the next 15 years.
With more electric powered cars being produced, how the devil are we going to manage?
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This very worrying we have recently bought a new boiler and a range cooker. Could you post a link to the source of this story.
Write your comments here...Yes the plans are all over the internet. No gas hobs or gas heating boilers soon. Foreign countries can polute all they like, but the Whitehall PC obsessed brigade are going to subject the UK citizens to huge expense and disruption. Billions of pounds in fact !! For what ??.
K
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If as much money was pumped into renewables as into nuclear energy then the story would be much different.
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