How much do you pay for your gas ?
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Hedon hire, 10kg BP/Flowgas Gaslight exchange for £23
That is a good price, about £10 cheaper than Homebase on a non discount day. Unfortunately a bit far to travel.
David
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I paid £25 at Cadeside last month for a Calorlite.
I paid a pound more at the C&CC site at Chipping Norton. Calor Lite around MK is abit like finding hens teeth so I took the opportunity to buy one when I had the chance. The slightly worrying thing was that the lady in reception said that she had heard a
rumour that Calor were thinking of dropping Calor Lite, I sincerely hope that is not the case.David
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I paid £25 at Cadeside last month for a Calorlite.
around £6 at the pump......
I think if I was starting from scratch, I would probably go the refillable route. As if you have not any cylinders you have to buy them from Calor. However, seeing we have the cylinders it would take ages to pay back the investment, at just one and a half
bottles a year. This and the fact Calor are easily exchangable on CC sites, makes it unlikely we will change. However, if you are using gas for your heating I can see the logic. I think it unlikely our Alde would run for more than about 4 days in winter, at
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I would say 4 days on 6kg of gas in winter, with the Alde heating keeping you nice and toasty, is rather optimistic. The Alde manual says a 6kg bottle should last a weekend in a British winter. So a calorlite becomes prohibitively expensive.
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I paid £25 at Cadeside last month for a Calorlite.
around £6 at the pump......
I think if I was starting from scratch, I would probably go the refillable route. As if you have not any cylinders you have to buy them from Calor. However, seeing we have the cylinders it would take ages to pay back the investment, at just one and a half
bottles a year. This and the fact Calor are easily exchangable on CC sites, makes it unlikely we will change. However, if you are using gas for your heating I can see the logic. I think it unlikely our Alde would run for more than about 4 days in winter, at
£20 to £25 a time that would soon mount up.i wouldnt try to convince anyone to use refillables, especially if they dont use much gas, but two good things are....no lifting of a full cylinder (an issue for some), and the fact that the kit retains a huge amount of its value down the line if it doesnt
work out....they go like hot cakes on ebay....folk forget this when trying to evaluate overal costs...
similarly, they forget about the rental agreements theyve paid for upfront which make calor (et al) even more expensive....
anyway....enough of this....
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Good point BB. Yes, resale value is always there. I went to look at some Weber BBQ stuff at my local distributor the other day and noticed that on the gas BBQs they were selling BP gaslights. I told them about SF and they didn't even know a refillable cylinder
was available! They were very excited about it and we're going to contact Safefill. Some people do a awful lot of outdoor cooking in the summer- if they do it on a gas BBQ, Safefill has to be an option.0 -
Takes about 10 to 11 fill ups to recoup the cost of an 20 lit (10kg) Safefill. That's if you already have gas bottles and you use 6kg Calor.
It's going to work out about 1.5 to 2.5 years for us to recoup the intial cost so a no brainer
i couldnt decide from your post if this meant it was a no braner to change or not.....
2 years is a very short payback for a system with a lifespan of 15 yrs, and the kit can be sold at anytime to recoup outlay should this be desired (eg stop vanning)
...and every fill after the break even point is around a quarter of the price, and a larger cylinder means less changing of pigtails..etc, etc
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Our gas bottle ran out this week, we haven't had to buy one for a while we were charged £18 for a 6kg bottle, assume that is about right?
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Our gas bottle ran out this week, we haven't had to buy one for a while we were charged £18 for a 6kg bottle, assume that is about right?
.If it is the standad..6kg i would think so the lightweight is higher priced ,if J Kernow is still on he should be able to give an up to date price,
Calor must have made a real killing in the last months,as LPG is a by product of oil but the price of their gas has not followed,
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Thanks JVB66, it was a standard not the light, we don't use much gas as usually have ehu even on the CL's we use.
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Takes about 10 to 11 fill ups to recoup the cost of an 20 lit (10kg) Safefill. That's if you already have gas bottles and you use 6kg Calor.
It's going to work out about 1.5 to 2.5 years for us to recoup the intial cost so a no brainer
i couldnt decide from your post if this meant it was a no braner to change or not.....
2 years is a very short payback for a system with a lifespan of 15 yrs, and the kit can be sold at anytime to recoup outlay should this be desired (eg stop vanning)
...and every fill after the break even point is around a quarter of the price, and a larger cylinder means less changing of pigtails..etc, etc
A no brainer because we will be saving money after 2 years. I intend to be camping for a darn sight longer than that.
Surprised there was any confusion but I am happy to provide clarification.
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I have a 10 kg Safefill which ran my fridge, cooking etc for over 3 weeks and cost £7.20 to refill as it was not quite empty. LPG is costing about 57p per litre or £1.14 per kg. The equivalent gas in Calorlite is about £3.42 per kg. Because I was not using an EHU I also saved £4.40 on site fees per night. The best bit though was that we could pitch near the beach as we did not need to be wired to an EHU.
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Takes about 10 to 11 fill ups to recoup the cost of an 20 lit (10kg) Safefill. That's if you already have gas bottles and you use 6kg Calor.
It's going to work out about 1.5 to 2.5 years for us to recoup the intial cost so a no brainer
i couldnt decide from your post if this meant it was a no braner to change or not.....
2 years is a very short payback for a system with a lifespan of 15 yrs, and the kit can be sold at anytime to recoup outlay should this be desired (eg stop vanning)
...and every fill after the break even point is around a quarter of the price, and a larger cylinder means less changing of pigtails..etc, etc
A no brainer because we will be saving money after 2 years. I intend to be camping for a darn sight longer than that.
Surprised there was any confusion but I am happy to provide clarification.
cheers, i guess that was the case....perhaps if your post had said 'only' two years i wouldnt have appeared so dense...
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I have a 10 kg Safefill which ran my fridge, cooking etc for over 3 weeks and cost £7.20 to refill as it was not quite empty. LPG is costing
about 57p per litre or £1.14 per kg. The equivalent gas in Calorlite is about £3.42 per kg. Because I was not using an EHU I also saved
£4.40 on site fees per night. The best bit though was that we could
pitch near the beach as we did not need to be wired to an EHU.Win, win, win!
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To some, 10 fill ups might take 10 years, then it's probably not worth it unless not supporting Calor attracts. To those that like to camp off grid for part of the year that time will be dramatically less and in our case under 2 years.
My calculation does not take into account anyone having to purchase new Calor cylinders or the residual value of the Safefill.
If a 13kg Calor is the cylinder of choice then it will take longer to break even as that has commercial pricing applied to it as it is used by builders etc.. It's on the "caravanners" 6kg that Calor really charges way over the top because untill recently there was little competition and caravan manufacturers tend to make the gas lockers too small for a 13kg. GOTCHA!
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Fysherman- so Calor have been ripping us off for years then?? I damn well knew it!!!
The economics of maintaining, distributing and servicing retailers selling small numbers of cylinders is far different from sending a bulk tanker to a few stations buying in bulk and selling from their tanks in larger quantities. I am not saying Calor are
not making good money on their cylinders but these are always going to be far more expensive than refilling your own.If you look upCalors bulk supply prices then you will find them far more comparable with Safefill.
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I have a 10 kg Safefill which ran my fridge, cooking etc for over 3 weeks and cost £7.20 to refill as it was not quite empty. LPG is costing about 57p per litre or £1.14 per kg. The equivalent gas in Calorlite is about £3.42 per kg. Because I was not using
an EHU I also saved £4.40 on site fees per night. The best bit though was that we could pitch near the beach as we did not need to be wired to an EHU.We moved from 2 calorlites (no initial bottle costs) to a 2 x 6kg Gaslow system about 4 years back, not as much for the savings but to be able to refill on our 2-3 month trips abroad. This then allows us not to worry about using gas on sites where EHU
is metered, so a good saving there.Plus of course, the LPG is generally cheaper in much of Europe than in UK. Best we found recently was 32ppl in Belgium.
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Kjell, at those prices its even more of a done deal....
ok, those that use no gas, have no gas costs to save, but not everyone has ehu all the time, rallies, THS, some CL/CS sites.
as you say, on sites with metered leccy, cheap gas is king.
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Crikey
Is that each bottle ET or for both...
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Each Bottle Brian. Usual cost on CC sites. It does not concern me as I use so little gas even though I am away for 120+ nights of the year. A bigger size bottle would be cheaper but with my arthritis in the spine they would be very awkward to manhandle in whilst bending into a front locker.
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Just out of interest, these cylinders need to be periodically tested, who pays for that, at that time the valve taken out is replaced, who pays for that and where / who does it or will after time will you continue to use an untested unsafe cylinder. The
valve assembly is similar to that of a toilet cistern the float rises and falls as cylinder is filled or emptied, with that in mind and the gunge or residual heavy ends sometimes in cylinders that valve gets clogged or it fails or worse allows the cylinder
to be overfilled. Just a few points that probably need to be taken in consideration before purchase ?0 -
The periodic test for these cylinders is Ten years. As my payback time is less than two years, I think I could afford to buy a new one after nine years if need be.This extra lease of life would indeed take me to close on 90years of age, don't think I'll
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Keanergas, we use a lot of CLs, many don't have 16amp supply, so to ease my load and prevent tripping out we use gas for water heating and fridge, especially on arrival. We also find that temperature of water and fridge is more controllable using gas and
as its so cheap, we don't mind. We have been on sites that have electricity metered, so we use gas more .....0
