Charging of Electric Vehicles on Site
The club needs a policy on the charging of electric vehicles on site for the future, by all means provide dedicated points but this should be on a pay per charge basis, the cost to cover the installing of dedicated points and the power consumed.
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The club needs a policy on the charging of electric vehicles on site for the future, by all means provide dedicated points but this should be on a pay per charge basis, the cost to cover the installing of dedicated points and the power consumed.
We have a point in our garage (installed free) onto our standard mains consumer unit. I do take the point that individual charging points may be less of a problem but if more and more are needed the electricity supplies will have to be upgraded at great
expense.So, a statement of policy will be needed, better earlier than later as I don't believe the Club should be responsible for providing points to cover all possible expectations, especially on the more remote sites.
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I assume the question assumes that some motorhome owners will be bringing them soon which seems likely. Most sites do appear to have unused hook ups so on these it would be possible but on others then some investment might be needed. It is something that
needs to be considered so wardens will have an answer when the inevitable happens andsomeone asks.I have not looked into electric cars so do not know exactly what needs to be added.
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Would the electric vehicle be the tow vehicle?
Maybe not a fully electric vehicle but there are plug in hybryds that could be tow vehicles.
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Do they consume a lot of power when charging? If its fairly low could you not just share pitch electrics. Agree that we could do with some guidence so I have alerted the CM to this thread.
David
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the cost of electricity is in the price you pay for your pitch charging a motor car uses less electricity then somebody with an electric heater inI the awning
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not sure what commection would be required (blue plug like vans?) but with a lead from the van (with suitable adaptor) it could be plugged in using your pitch supply.
that way, if you exceeded the bollard limit then ypu would be responsible for un-tripping it....
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can anybody say what the power is for these chargers?
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From another forum, I'm advised that from flat to fully charged would be 5 hours at 10amps. ( For an Outlander PHEV )
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From another forum, I'm advised that from flat to fully charged would be 5 hours at 10amps. ( For an Outlander PHEV )
could do it overnight using a single bollard, via the vans electric.
i word it this way as I wouldnt like to see some have use of two sockets, one for a car....
if you can do it from your one supply, say overnight, or by switching off other devices, then fine....
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I think that is the way it would have to be done, via a 3 pin domestic socket on / in the van. The public charging cables / sockets are incompatible with the site bollards 3 pin caravan sockets.
There may be adaptors out there that I haven't seen though.
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I`m surprised that members have`nt twigged onto the financial implications in the future of those with electric vehicles adding to the clubs site overheads and the consequent increase in pitch fees. If I suggested you might like to make a contribution to
my diesel costs on arrival at a site I doubt the reply would be favourable. Bikes/Mobility Scooters and such like are unlikely to be as significant as a vehicle.0 -
When I asked Head office, I was told that I could not charge up on-site.
However, another member asked a warden on-site and was allowed to charge, no problem.
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The public charging cables / sockets are incompatible with the site bollards 3 pin caravan sockets.
There may be adaptors out there that I haven't seen though.
Nothing there a few minutes with a screwdrive can't arrange.
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From another forum, I'm advised that from flat to fully charged would be 5 hours at 10amps. ( For an Outlander PHEV )
thanks
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Having to ask the club or warden and getting two different answers is not good enough. These numbers of these vehicles are growing and a policy is needed. It might not be fair on other members if lots do it so but at the same time plenty will need it so
the sooner they clarify it the better.0 -
The Club will certainly need to clarify this matter soon particularly as the energy density of batteries improves. The new Nissan Leaf for example has a 30KW battery and will charge at 3.3KW/H off a 16amp supply. That would be quite alot of electricty
if charged overnight and I for one, whilst a big fan of EVs, would not be happy to see that that kind of electricity supply being provided free of charge.0 -
I do take your point birderbilly, but I'm not sure that you can say that it is free of charge.
We all use the services of the site's to a lesser or greater extent, to suit our wants and needs. The cost of all of these services is included in the price we pay.
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The clubs EHU system assumes a particular consumption during a 24 hr period. I would imagine it is an average amount of electricity that the average caravanner or motorhomer will use in a 24 period. If you ADD to that average, the cost of charging the batteries
on an electric car/s, then the average consumption will increase and the clubs charges per pitch will have to go up to incorporate that increase in use. If the number of electric cars being charged becomes significant, the club should, in my view, forbid charging
cars at the normal bollards, and provide a pay as you go system dedicated to car charging as can be found in public carparks.0 -
Youre probably right justus2, similar to how the WiFi works.
There's probably a big difference in cost between me not using most of the facilities on-site and charging the car overnight.
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I have a fully electric car that has an 85kw battery but, sadly, it's not capable of towing. A fully electric 4x4 than can tow a caravan will be delivered in the UK later this year. So I would fully agree that the club needs a policy on this subject.
I have a 7kW charger at home which I use to charge the car over night on economy 7, 7 hours of charging gives me 50kWhr, enough for 150 miles of driving for £2.50. I would imagine towing a caravan would probably reduce the range 40-50% so site charging would
be needed.
This issue doesn't need huge investment to start with, a couple of 7kW posts per site with reasonable fee per kWhr would do the job as long as they are dedicated to fully electric vehicles. There are government grants to do this sort of installation0 -
As the vehicles in question will be used almost exclusively ’Off Site’, if the facility is provided to charge these vehicles and the power is provided at no extra charge to the user, then other members will be subsidising the users ‘Off Site’ activities.
I simply do not think that the CC (its member) can afford to entertain such Nonsense.
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Refueling an electric vehicle with the Club's electricity does seem to be in the same class of activity as helping oneself to toilet rolls and soap from the toilets.
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I assume that if CC allow electric vehicles to be recharged at no cost then the rest of us will be given vouchers for the nearest service station to allow us to obtain the equivalent amount of petrol/diesel free of charge.
Edit: Cross posted, Dave.
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Hmm.....there's a chap up the road from us somewhere with a Renault Twizy, I see him gliding past in it every now & again.
I've looked at it and thought it would be ideal to take on a small trailer behind my motorhome.....
I could soon lash up a 13A plug onto the end of the charging lead and plug it into a socket in the van....
Obviously I could then charge it up with the free electricity at a club site. Why not, I don't have an awning heater...??
I would also make sure it was fully charged before i took it home.
If there isnt someone doing this somewhere soon, or already, I will be very surprised, take a look at the price of secondhand twizies on Ebay !
I think the Club will need a policy and of course a fresh set of rules around it pretty soon.....
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