An experience at Seacroft
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We arrived at Ferry Meadows the last two Januarys and was advised to avoid a certain area as there was a rally booked in, this year was better than last , as I think they had been "spoken too"as they did not seem to be as "unusual
"this year,we ,on both occasions ,were glad to be in another area of the site, 0 -
Peedee
We arrived Sunday week 13th midday and the rally was over this last week-end of the 19th, with us due to leave tomorrow morning Tuesday. We also habe an awning. Don't consider a solution although appreciate suggestion. On the service pitch offer, yes it
was for the whole nine day stay as far as I understood; but in all honesty did not feel able to accept as warden would not extend to our friends arriving the following day and pitch choice was the same issue, rubbish location. Not my style I'm afraid to put
my self at an 'advantage'.The club have acknowledge the complaint emailed and I'm now in the twenty-working day cycle waiting for a response!!
None of the service pitches were allocated to the rally according to the site plan I was given.
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Thanks for further explanation Bernard and appreciate it did leave you in a akward position. I had not checked the calendar and thought you arrived the day or the day before the rally which I see was being held by Mid Anglia for their AGM.
peedee
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Many thanks for all the responses. You always wonder if it is you that is wrong in an assessment of of the circumstances; I'd are you out of step!
just to clarify a couple of points:
Was not looking at anytime to be next to friends. Agree with first come first served policy as it is even handed.
At no time was an advanced warning given of the rally until actually on site and fees paid over.
Did not want to be confrontational with Wardens as felt embarrassed on their behalf due to position in which they were placed.
When I mentioned the possibility of pitching in the reserved section, and taking the responsibility, this was responded to with the intimidation and possibility of noise of rallies late into the night suggestions. Clearly not seen as a way
forward.Review under Seacroft posted to forewarn others due to arrive during the coming week.
Thanks again, I do feel the Club should at the very least notify bookings if there is a rally, it is not rocket science.
I thought quiet was the order of the day 11-7? And wardens ones to have 'the chat' if necessary! Seems to leave the wardens open to an earbashing at the least for instructing them on reserving pitches.
I hope I only highlighted the area I wanted, but very difficult on here with a tablet
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Had all the pitches been of good quality eg level and equal size you would probably would have stayed? The problem with Seacroft is there are some really poor quality pitches, some are on difficult slopes at odd angles. Having once had the last "level" hardstanding
at Seacroft I can understand your predicament. The best pitches are the new serviced ones at the top, it's a pity, having explained your needs with regard to your friends that you both could not have been offered the service pitches, maybe at a shared reduced
rate? Some lateral thinking here is needed by the club to keep everyone happy when the site is being used by a rally. Of course if the site is busy at other times, the possibility of the worst pitches being left is still there.
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Tracy123 - Staff
Perhaps I have misunderstood regarding your recent posting, but I am the complainant, Bernardin Tring, not Bakers2. Please see the start of the topic.
Yes, I have emailed the CC HQ following on Rochelle removing a Review site posting on Monday and am currently waiting, hopefully, an in depth response.
Anything you can do to 'experdite' a response would be most welcome. You can see there is some interest in the principle involved
Many thanks.
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Do ralliers behave any different to other members ?????
Write your comments here...well the one we got caught up in a few year back certainlly different never meet such a arrogant and noisey self opinionated lot. I would leave a site and demand my momey back
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I hope that we do get a proper answer from HO, if I'm reading this right 46 pitches were put out of operation when the OP arrived yet it was 6 days until the rally was due
or were these pitches able to be used by those not staying over the weekend of the rally.We have in the past been caught up with rallies, once at Yarmouth Race course, if we hadn't been told wouldn't have know they were there. Same applies to the one in Belgium which was an Italien rally, quiet as a mouse. Unfortunately the same couldn't be said of the one in Berlin which was a Danish rally, they took over one whole section of the site around 50 ish vans, the majority of the time it was fine but the last day/evening and night it was awful, lots of loud music, cheering, shouting and banging, what a din goodness knows what they were doing, but we were glad to see the back of them.
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We too have had experiences of being on a site when there was a rally, but only abroad. Fortunately one of them was in December in Germany, which was a C&CC rally, and with the weather obviously not being sitting-out weather, we weren't bothered by them.
But on another occasion, also in Germany, we weren't so lucky, and experienced the same as TG above, with a lot of shouting etc.I must admit that I'm with the OP on this one; I'd have left as well. Another thing I read in the OP was that grass pitches had to be put back in use; surely those must have been damaged given the weather this last weekend? I wouldn't have wanted to use
a grass pitch with our MH this last weekend, that's for sure.I'd also like an explanation, as to why rally members appear to get preferential treatment on 2 levels: discounted pitches and pre-booked pitches so they can be with their friends.
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I hope that we do get a proper answer from HO, if I'm reading this right 46 pitches were put out of operation when the OP arrived yet it was 6 days until the rally was due
or were these pitches able to be used by those not staying over the weekend of the rally.That was eventually my interpretation TG. I would still like to know when the rules changed. Last time I was on a Club UK site a good few years ago it was obvious there was also rally. Only a dozen or so classic campers so they were pretty obvious. At the time rallies on Club sites were not allowed and on enquiring how they had managed this he said it had all been done by individual bookings which he was powerless to prevent. They never bothered anyone during the time I was there and the outfits were a joy to behold.
peedee
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Tammygirl @ Peedee
We were told that of the few on the 'reserved' pitches at the time of our Sunday arrival would be gone by the start of the rally members arrival. I also believe that if a short stay, again leaving prior to the rally start, members would be allowed to use.
It was only those whose stay clashed with the rally week-end were prohibited from their use.The warden too was unhappy with the necessity to open up the grass pitches and was clearly not happy with the threat of considerable repairs being required.
Friday at Sandringham, forty miles away was reasonable dry, as was Saturday. Saturday/Sunday night and up to early afternoon on the other hand very wet.
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Many thanks BernardinTring, for clearing that up, it still isn't acceptable though what happened to you. I do agree with others and yourself that with a rally that big I would have done the same as you.
I would like to say that I would have taken great pleasure in disregarding the wardens request and plonked myself right in the middle of the reserved pitches, however I think it would have back fired on me when they turned up
I hope you had a good holiday at Sandringham with your friends despite what happened.
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We have been on sites where areas are coned off for rallies - really annoying and unfair. I disagree that
''if the site is to host a rally then other members should be informed"
this just shouldnt be allowed if ordinary members arent allowed to reserve pitches or pitch next door to family and friends0 -
Ouch.... that is a bit of a sweeping statement, if it wasn't for centers and ralliers there wouldn't even be a Club.(business)
Do rallies and centres generate much money for the club? You dont pay to be a centre member and rallies are always touted as being not for profit so a cheaper way to caravan.
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We block booked a restaurant for one daughters wedding. The restaurant didn't keep a couple of tables and sell them to others. Same, same, isn't it?
No!
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Firstly, my view is that pitches are supposed to be on a 'first come, first served' basis. Whilst I would like to be able to book a specific pitch, that facility isn't available to me and therefore shouldn't be abailable to anyone else.
That said, in a later response, the op seemed to indicate that they were told that they could pitch amongst the rally if they wished, but were warned that it was likely to be noisy.
Quote "When I mentioned the possibility of pitching in the reserved section, and taking the responsibility, this was responded to with the intimidation and possibility of noise of rallies late into the night suggestions. Clearly not seen as a way forward."
So, BenardinTring.......were you denied access to the 'reserved' pitches or not? Or was this a case of the rally saying that they would like to occupy an area of the site, or had they 'booked' 46 pitches?
We once arrived at Broadway to be told there was a rally arriving later in the week. We were told that they would be pitched together in a certain area of the site, but we were free to go there if we wished. There were strong hints about the possibility of noise.
(As an aside, surely the same rules about making a noise at night apply equally to rally goers?).
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I assume you could go into the area likely to be used by the rally but the wardens would try to suggest you might feel a bit out numbered by a big social goup. I suppose you could pitch up on the edge of the area rather than right in the middle if you felt
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I too have already mentioned the noise issue remarks. I can't check OP and type this without losing it but got the impression OP was discouraged from using rally area. I stand to be corrected! Amazing that the deduction was refunded either it was due
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Ouch.... that is a bit of a sweeping statement, if it wasn't for centers and ralliers there wouldn't even be a Club.(business)
Do rallies and centres generate much money for the club? You dont pay to be a centre member and rallies are always touted as being not for profit so a cheaper way to caravan.
I was alluding to the fact that the Club had been started by ralliers and continues to be supported by centre members who volunteer their services.
peedee
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I suppose Bernard could have had whatever pitch was free on arrival as long as he left by Friday 12pm. So he could have had 5 nights on site and then gone to Sandringham for 4 nights. Think I would have been miffed at having to do that but it must have been
and option?peedee
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So far I've not had an acknowledgment of receipt of my report of this thread, been about seven hours. I thought that it would have been automatically generated
Bakers2
I am not sure you will automatically get a response to reporting a thread. I reported the thread not long after the OP made his post requesting whether it was possible to get an answer from the department concerned. I don't expect a personal reply, only
for something to be posted in the thread usually from the CM. I think I would also add that answers to some of these questions are not immeditely available and it can take a day or two to get the answer from the person able to give that answer. We may have
to wait until the OP gets his answer from the Club.David
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I think if you accept a booking for a rally then you have to reserve an area for them. It simply does not make sense to have them scattered over various areas of the site. We hace bever been on a CC site holding a rally but have been on C&CC sites and thdy
certainly did exactly the same although the numbers involved never filled the site to the extent reported here. In the circumstances we were never inconvenienced.Frankly it makes sense to use sites for rallies when they have the capacity as it improves income and helps support the sites. What I see as the problem here is that the rally was simply too big for the site. Rallies on club sites need to be limited in the
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ianH; I would think it fair to say I was denighed access to the reserved pitches. Pitch numbers marked up for us were 21, 22' which was occupied by an agreed later departure member, and 24. No others accept a service pitch, first with a charge, then without.
Warden not prepared service pitch extend to friends due to join us. See earlier post.Again peedee, since early membership in 2007, never gone home early, reverse in fact and any moving on has involved periods longer than five days. Too much effort in taking down awning, packing etc. Not as young as I used to be. Sorry I want to be in control
of my destiny. By moving to Sandringham, a good site and been before, the Seacroft site offered us an area of Norfolk not been to before apart from the odd snatched days when either previously at Sandringham or Broadlands. Wanted a proper look and run on beach
for dogs as restrictions lifted at this time of year.My intention is to provide the CC response as and when received in order than we can all see what policies are in place with occupancy and rallies. I expect somewhere along the line I will take 'a pasteing' although I cannot for the life of me see why but
people making decisions do not take kindly to criticism in my experience.0
