Pitch allocation

trellis
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edited November 2016 in UK Campsites & Touring #1

Could anyone please explain to me why on some sites pitches are allocated ,and on others not.? I ask this as last weekend we were on a site where a warden refused a member's request to have their friends who were arriving later that day pitch next to them
due to allocated pitches.They weren't anywhere near the facilities block.Thanks.

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  • IamtheGaitor
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    edited November 2016 #2

    It is all down to 'warden's discretion' In reality this basically means if a warden wants to allocate pitches, or anything else, they just use this as their 'reason'.  

    The club's current policy is not to allocate pitches, or allow pitches to be saved for friends/family arriving later, but like other rules the warden can override it if they want to - for example if they happen to have friends or family visiting, or the club bigwigs are dropping by.

    Which site was it?
     

  • EasyT
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    edited November 2016 #3

    Was it allocated pitches I wonder or because of no allocated pitches?? 

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited November 2016 #4

    I suspect it was a refusal to reserve/allocate a pitch which is the norm.

  • mickysf
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    edited November 2016 #5

    Some sites, due to their very nature, have to manage larger units coming in on a daily basis and so designate pitches for such. Makes sence to me.

  • trellis
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    edited November 2016 #6

    It is all down to 'warden's discretion' In reality this basically means if a warden wants to allocate pitches, or anything else, they just use this as their 'reason'.  

    The club's current policy is not to allocate pitches, or allow pitches to be saved for friends/family arriving later, but like other rules the warden can override it if they want to - for example if they happen to have friends or family visiting, or the
    club bigwigs are dropping by.

    Which site was it?

     

    Write your comments here... The site was bearsted in Kent ,and yes easy it was pitch allocation.

  • trellis
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    edited November 2016 #7

    mickysf ,I completely agree with your post regarding larger units ,but that simply wasn't the case . Nothing bigger than a T/A caravan all weekend ,and that wasn't huge.

  • moulesy
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    edited November 2016 #8

    Presumably the unit which went on to the desired pitch arrived before said member's friends? In which case, it's nothing out of the ordinary - pitch reservation isn't allowed. Like pitching to the peg, we all know exactly what the situation is if we choose
    to go to a CC site.

  • mickysf
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    edited November 2016 #9

    mickysf ,I completely agree with your post regarding larger units ,but that simply wasn't the case . Nothing bigger than a T/A caravan all weekend ,and that wasn't huge.

    that's okay, trellis, just a possible reason offered, did you ask those that know for this particular reason? Sometimes even a TA can be considered in need of managing on some sites and pitches!

    Some of us unfortunately just like to guess or speculate and jump to our own conclusions! Undecided

  • mickysf
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    edited November 2016 #10

    If you look at the site leaflet it clearly states that they allocate pitches at this site so, if we do our research before going, we would know this before arriving. This is unusual and having never been I cannot speculate as to why this is but I am willing to accept that there could be a good reason, just don't know what it is.

  • Fozzie
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    edited November 2016 #11

    Cambridge Cherry Hinton has allocated pitches due to the  very nature of the site.I was allocated a pitch in one of the cul de sacs and thankfully I had a motor mover.Would I have picked it probably,not but, it was very peaceful.I was aware of allocated
    pitches before arrival.Not sure why Bearstead has allocated pitches though.

  • DavidKlyne
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    edited November 2016 #12

    A possible reason for Bearstead to have allocated pitches is to separate out the overnighters (to and from ferries) and those staying longer. 

    David

  • mickysf
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    edited November 2016 #13

    A possible reason for Bearstead to have allocated pitches is to separate out the overnighters (to and from ferries) and those staying longer. 

    David

    That makes good sense, David, what with its proximity to the ferry terminals. I bet you've nailed the reason.

  • IamtheGaitor
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    edited November 2016 #14

    It would probably be easier if the CC actually said why - it wouldnt cost them anything to say ''Pitches on this site are allocated because....''



    Also if pitches are allocated surely the warden could have allocated two together so that friends/family could pitch together? 

  • mickysf
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    edited November 2016 #15

     



    Also if pitches are allocated surely the warden could have allocated two together so that friends/family could pitch together? 

    ...that would go against the capital principle of first come first choose! After all, those one night ferry pitchers, even though limited to those allocated pitches, still can choose from those few allocated for this purpose. Seems fair to me and a sensible
    management of possible disruption on site at all possible hours due to ferry timetables.

     

  • 1motorhome
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    I am very much in favour of non allocated pitches - you choose from what is available on your arrival.

    I did witness a justified exception recently on a club site. We noticed in the morning as we left for our days walk a reserved sign on a pitch near to us and close by the toilet block - a caravan was pitched on it at dusk when we returned.

    The next morning we observed an elderly lady being escorted around various pitches looking at the pitch number and outfits in the vicinity.....then an elderly gentleman rushed along from the direction of the toilet block area and  with what looked like a
    relieved expression appeared to thank the person escorting the lady and then gently took over and took her back to the caravan on the reserved pitch.

    That was a thought provoking incident.

     

  • young thomas
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    edited November 2016 #17

     



    Also if pitches are allocated surely the warden could have allocated two together so that friends/family could pitch together? 

    ...that would go against the capital principle of first come first choose! After all, those one night ferry pitchers, even though limited to those allocated pitches, still can choose from those few allocated for this purpose. Seems fair to me and a sensible
    management of possible disruption on site at all possible hours due to ferry timetables.

     

    ...if your pitches are allocated, you don't choose, do you?...

    ...even if you are 'first come'Wink

    not beyond the wit of a warden to 'allocate' two pitches together, irrespective of whether these vans were one-nighters or not.

    ...anyway, Bearstead is just about 40 miles to Dover Ferry....hardly 'convenient'.

    If i was travelling to the ferry port, i certainly wouldnt stop 40 odd miles away and then have to do the rest of the trip next morning....I'd want to be a lot closer than that.....

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  • DavidKlyne
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    edited November 2016 #19

    ...anyway, Bearstead is just about 40 miles to Dover Ferry....hardly 'convenient'.

    If i was travelling to the ferry port, i certainly wouldnt stop 40 odd miles away and then have to do the rest of the trip next morning....I'd want to be a lot closer than that.....

    BB

    Bearstead is less than 30 miles from the Tunnel and we have used it both ways in the past. Obviously Blackhorse Farm is much nearer but also much more frenetic so Bearstead is handy for those not in a rush.

    David

  • mickysf
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    edited November 2016 #20

     


    Also if pitches are allocated surely the warden could have allocated two together so that friends/family could pitch together? 

    ...that would go against the capital principle of first come first choose! After all, those one night ferry pitchers, even though limited to those allocated pitches, still can choose from those few allocated for this purpose. Seems fair to me and a sensible management of possible disruption on site at all possible hours due to ferry timetables.

     

    ...if your pitches are allocated, you don't choose, do you?...

    ...even if you are 'first come'Wink

     

    If there are lets say five 'ferriers' expected that day then if you are the first of these then you should have the pick of all those designated for that purpose?

    Sensible I would think for these to be managed day by day rather than just devote at the start of the season a certain number of specific pitches for that purpose. Afterall, it could be none one day and many the next!

  • trellis
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    edited November 2016 #21

    Thanks for all your views on this, I'd like to think David's answer is correct... but knowing the CC it could be anyone's guess .

  • mickysf
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    edited November 2016 #22

    Yes, David nailed it I reckon. Guess many who use it understand this need and, call it what you will, wardens' discretion or management, in such site specific circumstances.

  • JVB66
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    edited November 2016 #23

    It does state in rule one on page 272 of directory pitch allocation may be needed in some circumstancesUndecided

  • trellis
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    edited November 2016 #24

    Personally I have no issue with allocated pitch's,what struck me as strange was the warden's attitude to it.At the time there were sufficient spaces to have moved A to B and vice versa.That way 2 happy member's and 1 who would have been none the wiser ,
    a good bit of PR for the club .. alas not .

  • Wildwood
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    edited November 2016 #25

    Surely if pitches were being reserved for ferry users thay would be in a separate areas rather than pitches in the site in general like at Black Horse Farm. Some sites do also reserve pitches for larger units and even though the one that took it might not
    have been exceptionally large but if some pitches are too small the wardens do need to reserve pitches to make sure they can get the larger ones on. This seems to be the more likely option to me.

    Disabled reservations are usually by the toilets but not neccessarily and I have seen a pitch reserved for the relief warden.

  • huskydog
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    edited November 2016 #26

    I've often arrived on site to find a cone or two on pitches ,but its never bothered me ,just seen it as the warden running his/her site to the best advantage to every one .........

  • DSB
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    edited November 2016 #27

    Whenever I've been to Black Horse Farm, I've had an allocated pitch.

    David 

  • DavidKlyne
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    edited November 2016 #28

    I am not sure that Bearstead is used anywhere near as much for Channel Crossings as Blackhorse Farm is but there would be a regular overnight flow of customers. Having looked at my site report

    here 
     you can see that the length of pitches do vary a lot. Whilst some are quite long a lot could struggle with a 7mt + caravan or motorhome. The Club purchased the Bearstead site as a functioning campsite and maybe some of the pitches date from before
    Club ownership?

    David

  • SteveL
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    edited November 2016 #29

    Whenever I've been to Black Horse Farm, I've had an allocated pitch.

    David 

    We were allocated an area, but could select a specific pitch.

  • SteveL
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    edited November 2016 #30

    Cambridge Cherry Hinton has allocated pitches due to the  very nature of the site.I was allocated a pitch in one of the cul de sacs and thankfully I had a motor mover.Would I have picked it probably,not but, it was very peaceful.I was aware
    of allocated pitches before arrival.Not sure why Bearstead has allocated pitches though.

    It does not seem to say they are allocated on the web site, unless I missed it. Only been twice once about 8 years ago when we certainly picked our pitch and again 3 years ago, when we were sort of allocated, as there were only two left.

  • JVB66
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    edited November 2016 #31

    We have never been allocated a pitch at Cherry Hinton ,the wardens have always advised to have a look first if you are new to the site as the area down the slope on the left just past the Barriers is dificullt to turn round ,and you need return to out barrier
    and come back in to access other areas