Booking Deposits!

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  • moulesy
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    edited September 2016 #62

    Read the post properly folks, Some people  jumped in during an edit. HappyHappy 
      

    Cool

    I spotted the original and the editted version.

    Confused yourself, I think, K! And you expect us to follow your reasoning?

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited September 2016 #63

    Keep the no deposit set up.

    If someone fails to show, or cancels late, Club needs to issue a warning. Warning rescinded if proven genuine. 

    If someone cancels more than three times in a rolling six month period, then this is serial behaviour and the Club needs to determine some form of penalty, be it a suspension of upfront booking or termination of membership, or taking full payment for third
    period cancelled.

    On a computerised booking system, then all the above is possible, and in fact isn't that far removed from what happens initially, but just penalises the tiny minority of selfish members more heavily.

    If you have a finite resource, which the Club has, in terms of peak period pitches, then it would benefit the Club to ensure that members fully understand the implications of "playing the system".

    I doubt that this would impact on many members, because it isn't a huge problem quite frankly.

  • Metheven
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    edited September 2016 #64

    Read the post properly folks, Some people  jumped in during an edit. HappyHappy    

    Cool

    TW I don't really care one way or the other  - I never Book and Cancel  because IMO It's not fair on fellow CC members. I would be happy to pay a deposit or if it would help the CC -- pay for the holiday up front at the time of booking.  Cool

    Is that "I never book and cancel" or "I never use to book and cancel".

    I thought the thread in the 'Goodbyee' section said you had sold up <undecided/confused> emoji

    Happy

  • gygafo
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    edited September 2016 #65

    TW I don't really care one way or the other  - I never
    Book and Cancel  because IMO It's not fair on fellow CC members. Cool

    Neither do I, K, on both counts.

    Given your last paragraph, I wonder why you're so bothered about the issue seeing you don't really care. There's no point in this at all really other than its given you something to be 'K' about. Laughing

    If you never cancel then you would be ok paying upfront!

  • Wildwood
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    edited September 2016 #66

    This turns up regularly and there seems to be no consensus.

    The club have no deposits and seem to be booked up on most sites at weekends causing those who want longer stays problems. The C&CC have deposits which do seem to give better availability for that club and holding those deposits must help cash flow. If you
    are booking a multi site holiday the deposits can add up though so there is no right answer to this one.

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited September 2016 #67

    Conversely, WW, better availability surely means C&CC sites aren't full so they could do better from a business perspective by perhaps dropping the deposit system. 

  • peedee
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    edited September 2016 #68

    Conversely, WW, better availability surely means C&CC sites aren't full so they could do better from a business perspective by perhaps dropping the deposit system. 

    I was at Blackmore last weekend, the CC and the C&CC sites are adjacent there and both were pretty busy although the Club's grass pitches didn't seem to be in quite so much demand as the hard standings. I think the C&CC site looked the fuller so they are
    not doing a great deal wrong. Take a look a both accounts, over the last 3 to 4 years the C&CC has been the most profitable so they have to be doing something better than the CC. I certainly don't think deposits are effecting their bottom line.

    peedee

  • EasyT
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    edited September 2016 #69

    Conversely, WW, better availability surely means C&CC sites aren't full so they could do better from a business perspective by perhaps dropping the deposit system. 

    All things being equal I think most are happy not to make a depoit.

  • huskydog
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    edited September 2016 #70

    Motorhomes are the way forwardSmile

  • EasyT
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    edited September 2016 #71

    If I was a 'weekender' and had paid and lost a £20 deposit for a two night booking I would not feel out of pocket as I would have saved the fuel and the two night's fees. Also if there were a non-reffundable deposit I would feel no compunction in cancelling
    at the last minute

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited September 2016 #72

    Motorhomes are the way forwardSmile

    Unless they're reversing.

    But they're not exempt from paying deposits if/when required. 

  • huskydog
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    edited September 2016 #73

    Motorhomes are the way forwardSmile

    Unless they're reversing.

    But they're not exemp from paying deposits if/when required. 

    As i said ,haven't got a problem with depositsCool

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited September 2016 #74

    Motorhomes are the way forwardSmile

    Unless they're reversing.

    But they're not exemp from paying deposits if/when required. 

    As i said ,haven't got a problem with depositsCool

    As I said, nor me, only with the simplicity of booking and amending etc.

    I was returning the thread to topic, Husky, while attempting a little humour. Smile

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  • huskydog
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    edited September 2016 #76

    Motorhomes are the way forwardSmile

    Unless they're reversing.

    But they're not exemp from paying deposits if/when required. 

    As i said ,haven't got a problem with depositsCool

    ....as long as theyre picked up and binnedWink

    Now ,thats humourLaughing

  • IanH
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    edited September 2016 #77

    Credit card companies charge a fee based on a percentage of the value of the transaction. 

    So, for those who are clearly mathematically challenged, the fee is exactly the same for two transactions (deposit and balance) as for one transaction, when the total of the transactions is the same.

    Incidently, those fees have recently been massively reduced by European legislation and anyway, for large companies were slways very small.

    So.....no extra cost to CC for taking deposits but a significant improvement to cash-flow. Again, if some of those on here not in the real world, knew anything at all about business, they would know that cash-flow is king. And that should ultimately benefit us all.

    As well as improving pitch availability by getting rid of the speculative bookings.

  • compass362
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    edited September 2016 #78

    Credit card companies charge a fee based on a percentage of the value of the transaction. 

    So, for those who are clearly mathematically challenged, the fee is exactly the same for two transactions (deposit and balance) as for one transaction, when the total of the transactions is the same.

    Incidently, those fees have recently been massively reduced by European legislation and anyway, for large companies were slways very small.

    So.....no extra cost to CC for taking deposits but a significant improvement to cash-flow. Again, if some of those on here not in the real world, knew anything at all about business, they would know that cash-flow is king. And that should ultimately benefit us all.

    As well as improving pitch availability by getting rid of the speculative bookings.

    Write your comments here...The CC used to take deposits , they don't now & I wonder why   it's something we all have to live with & dream of things of the past , it might happen again but until then we can all dream on

  • moulesy
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    edited September 2016 #79

    Of course, this subject, like pitching correctly, arrivals and departures etc is really only crucial to those who have been, and presumably intend to continue being, regular visitors to CC sites, n'est ce pas?

    Which is maybe why those of us who spend the majority of our time away on other types of site may be slightly more relaxed about it all! Wink

  • huskydog
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    edited September 2016 #80

    Credit card companies charge a fee based on a percentage of the value of the transaction. 

    So, for those who are clearly mathematically challenged, the fee is exactly the same for two transactions (deposit and balance) as for one transaction, when the total of the transactions is the same.

    Incidently, those fees have recently been massively reduced by European legislation and anyway, for large companies were slways very small.

    So.....no extra cost to CC for taking deposits but a significant improvement to cash-flow. Again, if some of those on here not in the real world, knew anything at all about business, they would know that cash-flow is king. And that should ultimately benefit
    us all.

    As well as improving pitch availability by getting rid of the speculative bookings.

    Apart from debt card transactions that charge a fixed fee per transaction, say 8pence, so a £100 pitch fee would be charged at 8pence , but a £20 deposit (8p) and a balance paid at the site £80 ,another 8p, so 16p in total

    just saying

  • Cornersteady
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    edited September 2016 #81

    Credit card companies charge a fee based on a percentage of the value of the transaction. 

    So, for those who are clearly mathematically challenged, the fee is exactly the same for two transactions (deposit and balance) as for one transaction, when the total of the transactions is the same.

    Incidently, those fees have recently been massively reduced by European legislation and anyway, for large companies were slways very small.

    So.....no extra cost to CC for taking deposits but a significant improvement to cash-flow. Again, if some of those on here not in the real world, knew anything at all about business, they would know that cash-flow is king. And that should ultimately benefit us all.

    As well as improving pitch availability by getting rid of the speculative bookings.

    Apart from debt card transactions that charge a fixed fee per transaction, say 8pence, so a £100 pitch fee would be charged at 8pence , but a £20 deposit (8p) and a balance paid at the site £80 ,another 8p, so 16p in total

    just saying

    thank you husky I did point that there would be no difference to credit cards bokings, but debit cards would make a difference.

    Perhaps some are reading challenged? (or at worst just trolling perhaps)

  • JVB66
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    edited September 2016 #82

    Credit card companies charge a fee based on a percentage of the value of the transaction. 

    So, for those who are clearly mathematically challenged, the fee is exactly the same for two transactions (deposit and balance) as for one transaction, when the total of the transactions is the same.

    Incidently, those fees have recently been massively reduced by European legislation and anyway, for large companies were slways very small.

    So.....no extra cost to CC for taking deposits but a significant improvement to cash-flow. Again, if some of those on here not in the real world, knew anything at all about business, they would know that cash-flow is king. And that should ultimately benefit
    us all.

    As well as improving pitch availability by getting rid of the speculative bookings.

    Apart from debt card transactions that charge a fixed fee per transaction, say 8pence, so a £100 pitch fee would be charged at 8pence , but a £20 deposit (8p) and a balance paid at the site £80 ,another 8p, so 16p in total

    just saying

    thank you husky I did point that there would be no difference to credit cards bokings, but debit cards would make a difference.

    Perhaps some are reading challenged? (or at worst just trolling perhaps)

    Undecided...That what i said in an earlier post but got challeged, but hey ho what do we know?Wink

  • S-max Jonny
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    edited September 2016 #83

    Of course, this subject, like pitching correctly, arrivals and departures etc is really only crucial to those who have been, and presumably intend to continue being, regular visitors to CC sites, n'est ce pas?

    Which is maybe why those of us who spend the majority of our time away on other types of site may be slightly more relaxed about it all! Wink

    We only use CC Sites and none of the above is crucial or even register on our radar.

    Maybe you could say,, that it is the ones that only visit CC sites occasionally that want to change things to suit them.Just making up a fact as is the case with this thread !!

  • moulesy
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    edited September 2016 #84

    Of course, this subject, like pitching correctly, arrivals and departures etc is really only crucial to those who have been, and presumably intend to continue being, regular visitors to CC sites, n'est ce pas?

    Which is maybe why those of us who spend the majority of our time away on other types of site may be slightly more relaxed about it all! Wink

    We only use CC Sites and none of the above is crucial or even register on our radar.

    Maybe you could say,, that it is the ones that only visit CC sites occasionally that want to change things to suit them.Just making up a fact as is the case with this thread !!

    Yes indeed! When we use CC sites, not as often now as was once the case, we use them because (a) they offer us the best deal where we want to be (b) we know exactly what to expect in terms of pitches and facilities and (c) we actually like what they offer
    for the price we pay.

    What others users do or don't do doesn't for a minute affect our time there! Happy

  • nelliethehooker
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    edited September 2016 #85

    Motorhomes are the way forwardSmile

    That is until they get stuck on wet grass, and then there's no way forward or back ward!!Laughing

  • nelliethehooker
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    edited September 2016 #86

    Credit card companies charge a fee based on a percentage of the value of the transaction. 

    So, for those who are clearly mathematically challenged, the fee is exactly the same for two transactions (deposit and balance) as for one transaction, when the total of the transactions is the same.

    Incidently, those fees have recently been massively reduced by European legislation and anyway, for large companies were slways very small.

    So.....no extra cost to CC for taking deposits but a significant improvement to cash-flow. Again, if some of those on here not in the real world, knew anything at all about business, they would know that cash-flow is king. And that should ultimately benefit us all.

    As well as improving pitch availability by getting rid of the speculative bookings.

    Write your comments here...The CC used to take deposits , they don't now & I wonder why   it's something we all have to live with & dream of things of the past , it might happen again but until then we can all dream on

    The reason that they stopped taking deposits was that the then new booking system that they brought/bought in was not up to taking credit/debit card deposits, while the C&CC bought in a Canadian system could do so, they kept taking deposits.

  • IanH
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    edited September 2016 #87

    So, the argument that it costs the CC something to take bookings is based on:

    A supposition that all deposits are made on a debit card and not a credit card - so not true!

    Debit card charges that someone has looked up from the internet......as opposed to what happens in the real world.

    A fictional cost of £5000 based on this false information.

    A comment by some CC director who has amply demonstrated his credentials on national television recently.

    Why am I not convinced? Especially when these arguments are put forward by ardent supporters of the CC......who would say that black was white if the CC said so.

     

     

  • IanH
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    edited September 2016 #88

    Credit card companies charge a fee based on a percentage of the value of the transaction. 

    So, for those who are clearly mathematically challenged, the fee is exactly the same for two transactions (deposit and balance) as for one transaction, when the total of the transactions is the same.

    Incidently, those fees have recently been massively reduced by European legislation and anyway, for large companies were slways very small.

    So.....no extra cost to CC for taking deposits but a significant improvement to cash-flow. Again, if some of those on here not in the real world, knew anything at all about business, they would know that cash-flow is king. And that should ultimately benefit
    us all.

    As well as improving pitch availability by getting rid of the speculative bookings.

    Write your comments here...The CC used to take deposits , they don't now & I wonder why   it's something we all have to live with & dream of things of the past , it might happen again but until then we can all dream on

    The reason that they stopped taking deposits was that the then new booking system that they brought/bought in was not up to taking credit/debit card deposits, while the C&CC bought in a Canadian system could do so, they kept taking deposits.

    Thank you Nellie.

    A bit of realism is injected into the argument.

  • compass362
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    edited September 2016 #89

     

    The reason that they stopped taking deposits was that the then new booking system that they brought/bought in was not up to taking credit/debit card deposits, while the C&CC bought in a Canadian system could do so, they kept taking deposits.

    Write your comments here... Thanks for that information , I guess this thread is well & truly scuppered now .......may it rest in peace

  • compass362
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    edited September 2016 #90

     

    The reason that they stopped taking deposits was that the then new booking system that they brought/bought in was not up to taking credit/debit card deposits, while the C&CC bought in a Canadian system could do so, they kept taking deposits.

    Write your comments here... Thanks for that information , I guess this thread is well & truly scuppered now .......may it rest in peace

    Write your comments here... may be not , some people think they know better bah humbug

  • Cornersteady
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    edited September 2016 #91

    So, the argument that it costs the CC something to take bookings is based on:

    A supposition that all deposits are made on a debit card and not a credit card - so not true!

    Debit card charges that someone has looked up from the internet......as opposed to what happens in the real world.

    A fictional cost of £5000 based on this false information.

    A comment by some CC director who has amply demonstrated his credentials on national television recently.

    Why am I not convinced? Especially when these arguments are put forward by ardent supporters of the CC......who would say that black was white if the CC said so.

     

     

    well why not find some proof of your own Ian, to back up your claims?

    No best and easier to attack your fellow posters with a few insults, SHAME on you