Booking Deposits!
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I would be 100% behind the introduction of deposits, i would be happy to pay 50% of the booking, I am sure that this would deter the "book & cancel" brigade who in my opinion screw the booking system up by block booking and often cancelling based on a weather
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I would be 100% behind the introduction of deposits, i would be happy to pay 50% of the booking, I am sure that this would deter the "book & cancel" brigade who in my opinion screw the booking system up by block booking and often cancelling based on a weather forecast.
Write your comments here...Good post - There will be some who say that the "Book and Cancel" syndrome never happens. But despite being often asked to produce evidence to that effect, they have never produced any figures to back that up.
If it has never happened -- let us all see the proof.
Whereas many of us who live in the real world either know or have heard of persons doing exactly that.
K
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How can you prove something that's never happened?
K, let's be honest, there has been no evidence either to support or quash the idea of mass "book & cancel" numbers. Your last sentence relies on pure hearsay and is nothing to do with "living in the real world".
Presumably, when you were caravanning you didn't book & cancel regularly and neither do we.
Just have a bit of faith in your fellow members instead of thinking the worst of them. It's a much more positive outlook on life!
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Moulseley, Normally I very much respect and appreciate your posts, but on this occasion I do take issue with you. My belief that some system of deposit might address the issue of the temptation to book and perhaps later cancel, is by no means a reflection on my opinion of fellow members, which is actually quite high. No it is rather an observation on life in general. We will all take advantage of a system that is offered, life is like that. My comment was that the £20 deposit that I was charged was not excessive, but was an expression by me of an intention to fulfill the contract that I had just entered into by booking.
Your generalisation is not like you!
TF
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The conversations that I have had with friends on the "inside"on the front line, have only ever said that "no shows" have in fact fallen since the new booking system was introduced,and they now get more phone call from members apologising for having to
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The conversations that I have had with friends on the "inside"on the front line, have only ever said that "no shows" have in fact fallen since the new booking system was introduced,and they now get more phone call from members apologising for having to
cancel rather than not turning upCongratulations JV, that is from folks who live in 'the real world' good post
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Moulseley, Normally I very much respect and appreciate your posts, but on this occasion I do take issue with you. My belief that some system of deposit might address the issue of the temptation to book and perhaps later cancel, is by no means a reflection on my opinion of fellow members, which is actually quite high. No it is rather an observation on life in general. We will all take advantage of a system that is offered, life is like that. My comment was that the £20 deposit that I was charged was not excessive, but was an expression by me of an intention to fulfill the contract that I had just entered into by booking.
Your generalisation is not like you!
TF
Brian - my comment was not particularly aimed at you, but at others who seem to take every opportunity to imply the worst of fellow members!
Don't get me wrong; I'm not opposed to deposits per se. As I said earlier, if a site we want to go to asks for a deposit we'll pay it - we just go with whatever system works best for the site we're going to.
The CC obviously think the no deposit system works best for them and I suspect that if there were huge numbers regularly booking and cancelling they'd think again about that system.
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The conversations that I have had with friends on the "inside"on the front line, have only ever said that "no shows" have in fact fallen since the new booking system was introduced,and they now get more phone call from members apologising for having to
cancel rather than not turning upCongratulations JV, that is from folks who live in 'the real world' good post
Yes, add me to that one. Not only from friends in the know but stated in the club magazine, the chairman's report, on this website, how much evidence do people need that no shows have fallen since deposits were removed?
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A sad reflection on your opinion of fellow members, jmc!
Do you have any actual evidence that this "book & cancel" brigade actually exist in huge numbers?
Off course not - like a lot of "facts" that members spew out to back up their point of view.
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I really can't understand why certain posters do not accept that using a card to pay for a deposit will incur a charge to the club. Every time you use a card to pay for something there is a charge that the club will have to pay to the bank/card operator. There is an interesting article here:
http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cardsloans/article-2363930/Why-pay-use-credit-debit-card.html
that describes the process, but according to the article
How much in fees is a shop paying?
What the CMS says a retailer typically pays on a £100 sale:
- Cash: Zero. The shop gets £100
- Debit card: 8p per transaction. The shop gets £99.92
- Credit card: 0.8 per cent. The shop gets £99.20
- Premium/rewards card: up to 1.6 per cent. The shop gets £98.40
I don't know what the current fee is now for the club, but when you consider the high number of booking made to the club this soon mounts up. Either the cost of pitches will have to go up, (and those posters who want deposits are the ones who complain clubs sites are too expensive already) or find the money from elsewhere, that could be spent on sites?
But most importanly why introduce deposits when there is no evidence they work, and there is no problem with no shows.
Is this real world enough?
Red herring indeed!
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JV. Firstly if a system is operated like that of booking a hotel thet take the card details and only process the transaction upon arrival or if there is a no show or late vancellation. Secondly if they are taking a deposit at the time of booking it is a
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That realy dont hold water C-S cos most people pay by card at the site anyway..
No, whenever you use a debit card the card operator will take their cut, if the club take a deposit, there's one payment, when you pay on arrival there's another. At the moment there is only one - on arrival. For credit cards no difference.
However, for a debit card it is 8p per transaction, two tranactions (deposit then arrival) is 16p the club will have to pay an extra 8p, multiplly that by the number of bookings...
So does the majority of arrivals use crdit or debit cards?
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did you know the average debit card spend in 2015 was £43.89, only a pound up from 2005
some interesting reading here
http://www.theukcardsassociation.org.uk/wm_documents/6. Debit Card Report - July 2016.pdf
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For those who cannot understand mathematics.
The way to prove that there is no occurences of the Book and Cancel Syndrome is to for those people who say it never happens to obtain the statistics for overall annual bookings and then compare that to the number of annual attendance compliant with those bookings . If, as those people say there is never any instances of book and cancel -- then both totals will be identical. --- Lets just see Eh !!!.
If that turns out to be the case, then we in the real world, will agree that we got it wrong. If there is a discrepancy then we were absolutely right. We can't be fairer than that.
K
I am all for paying a deposit on any financial transaction. It shows honesty and willingness to complete the buying process.
K
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Trouble is Corner Steady when facts are presented on additional costs people are inclined to dismiss as it dosen't square with their argument. Am I right in thinking that in December something like 60000 bookings are made? Your 8p a booking would add up
to just short of £5000. Over the course of a year this figure would be far greater. So we know there is an extra cost to taking deposits and the club Chairmman has alluded to this in the past but his figure was much higher but charges have been reduced since
then. Some will argue that the extra cost would be recovered by the Club keeping the lost deposits but how would you you be able to relet the pitch at very short notice or in fact after the event losing a minimum of one nights fees and more likely more?David
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For those who cannot understand mathematics.
The way to prove that there is no occurences of the Book and Cancel Syndrome is to for those people who say it never happens to obtain the statistics for overall annual bookings and then compare that to the number of annual cancellations
. If, as those people say there is never any instances of book and cancel -- then both totals will be identical. --- Lets just see Eh !!!.If that turns out to be the case, then we in the real world, will agree that we got it wrong. If there is a discrepancy then we were absolutely right. We can't be fairer than that.
K
...Considering the bookings that are taken up at cc sites, I would think your idea would be not worth the calculation, as the difference i should expect to be vast in favour of the take up
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Good post, David.
K, why don't you get the figures and prove your point seeing you're so steamed up about it rather than calling for someone else to do it?
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Read the post properly folks, Some people jumped in during an edit.
K
TW I don't really care one way or the other - I never Book and Cancel because IMO It's not fair on fellow CC members. I would be happy to pay a deposit or if it would help the CC -- pay for the holiday up front at the time of booking.
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Good post, David.
K, why don't you get the figures and prove your point seeing you're so steamed up about it rather than calling for someone else to do it?
Good point actually. I would think it was incumbent on those arguing for change to back up their arguments with figures, rather rely on those who are more relaxed about the situation to do so!
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