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  • EasyT
    EasyT Forum Participant Posts: 16,194
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    edited November 2016 #602

    Presumably one would now when asking on arrival as I do now on some sites to find where I might find hard dtandings on a site

  • KeefySher
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    edited November 2016 #603

    When booking online will also bring up the site layout to see what pitches are where and often the google maps satellite view. So I have an idea of things.

    Out of the 'wet' months prefer a grass awning pitch, something great about the feel of grass underfoot.

    If a HS is wanted and we are staying 3 nights or more will deploy the awning, if not the sunshade if the weather is good enough.

    Then when we want to visit a honeypot site we'll take pot luck. Been to both Baltic Wharf with 10 days notice of wanting to go, and Chatsworth in the school summer holidays booking 3 weeks before arrival.

    We are going to Baltic Wharf again, in February Half Term, booked last week.

    None of this frenzy day nonsense. Must be all those block bookers that cancel 72 hours in advance we need to thank to have been able to get into the impossible sites at Chatsworth & Baltic Wharf Tongue Out Granted
    at BW we had to take a particular awning pitch the wardens left the details of on the board for our arrival after hours after towing through the centre of Bristol on a Friday evening rush hour.

    Gosh this caravanning lark is testing Tongue Out

  • MichaelT
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    edited November 2016 #604

    When booking online will also bring up the site layout to see what pitches are where and often the google maps satellite view. So I have an idea of things.

    Out of the 'wet' months prefer a grass awning pitch, something great about the feel of grass underfoot.

    If a HS is wanted and we are staying 3 nights or more will deploy the awning, if not the sunshade if the weather is good enough.

    Then when we want to visit a honeypot site we'll take pot luck. Been to both Baltic Wharf with 10 days notice of wanting to go, and Chatsworth in the school summer holidays booking 3 weeks before arrival.

    We are going to Baltic Wharf again, in February Half Term, booked last week.

    None of this frenzy day nonsense. Must be all those block bookers that cancel 72 hours in advance we need to thank to have been able to get into the impossible sites at Chatsworth & Baltic Wharf Tongue Out Granted
    at BW we had to take a particular awning pitch the wardens left the details of on the board for our arrival after hours after towing through the centre of Bristol on a Friday evening rush hour.

    Gosh this caravanning lark is testing Tongue Out

    Write your comments here...You contradict yourself here.  Seems you got Baltic Wharf with 10 days and Chatsworth 3 weeks before travel and half term February 2017 last week so where does the 72 hours come into or are you just proving its just a myth?

  • cyberyacht
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    edited November 2016 #605

    Like ET, I'm thoroughly confused now. Are we back to 'pot luck' on arrival as to the pitch surface type across the board now?

  • KeefySher
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    edited November 2016 #606

    When booking online will also bring up the site layout to see what pitches are where and often the google maps satellite view. So I have an idea of things.

    Out of the 'wet' months prefer a grass awning pitch, something great about the feel of grass underfoot.

    If a HS is wanted and we are staying 3 nights or more will deploy the awning, if not the sunshade if the weather is good enough.

    Then when we want to visit a honeypot site we'll take pot luck. Been to both Baltic Wharf with 10 days notice of wanting to go, and Chatsworth in the school summer holidays booking 3 weeks before arrival.

    We are going to Baltic Wharf again, in February Half Term, booked last week.

    None of this frenzy day nonsense. Must be all those block bookers that cancel 72 hours in advance we need to thank to have been able to get into the impossible sites at Chatsworth & Baltic Wharf Tongue Out Granted
    at BW we had to take a particular awning pitch the wardens left the details of on the board for our arrival after hours after towing through the centre of Bristol on a Friday evening rush hour.

    Gosh this caravanning lark is testing Tongue Out

    Write your comments here...You contradict yourself here.  Seems you got Baltic Wharf with 10 days and Chatsworth 3 weeks before travel and half term February 2017 last week so where does the 72 hours come into or are you just proving its just a myth?

    With the Tongue Out at the end of the sentence what do you think?

    Also BW is apparently on a 3 month notice to quit lease deal at present meaning it's not included in frenzy day, although we booked more than 3 months in advance Foot in Mouth

    In the vein of all things CC it appears there is clarity the consistency of pea soup Tongue Out Together with large dollops of urban
    myth added by the membership to boot Tongue Out

    Or maybe we are especial as we have been able to get into fully booked sites such as Cheddar on Good Friday booking a week before, Bladon Chains on May Bank holiday booking 5 days before arrival. Laughing

    Or maybe the booking system is clunky and doesn't tell the true situation. People change plans and can't make previously made bookings for a host of reasons. We had to cancel our first ever CC site booking at the last minute due to being let down on getting
    a tow bar. Tongue Out

  • young thomas
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    edited November 2016 #607

    Like ET, I'm thoroughly confused now. Are we back to 'pot luck' on arrival as to the pitch surface type across the board now?

    Possibly.....Wink

    the trial ended without a HS being bookable.....because of 'confusion'...

    having broadcast the negative conclusion (which confused members as they mainly thought it was a good idea) we now have a response from the club suggesting that the club would love all members to be able to choose the pitch type of their choice, yet also
    be able to change it once they arrive on site.....

    confusion? fudged process? lack of sensible policy making?

    wanting to please all of the people all of the time and failing miserably?

    take your pick....(tick all that apply....)Undecided

  • IanH
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    edited November 2016 #608

    I've written back and again asked what the timescal is for this change to booking pitch types and also asked for confirmation that this is a change of CC policy...because I don't understand the answers that are coming out.

  • nelliethehooker
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    edited November 2016 #609

    Like ET, I'm thoroughly confused now. Are we back to 'pot luck' on arrival as to the pitch surface type across the board now?

    Seems like at the moment, but may be different in the future!!Undecided

  • IanH
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    edited November 2016 #610

    I've written back and again asked what the timescale is for this change to booking pitch types and also asked for confirmation that this is a change of CC policy...because I don't understand the answers that are coming out.

    The answer I got is......there is no set timescale to introduce this......so I guess the answer to my second question is that No, it isn't an about-turn on CC policy.

    So no opportunity to book hardstandings in the foreseeable future, I'm afraid.

  • compass362
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    edited November 2016 #611

    Like ET, I'm thoroughly confused now. Are we back to 'pot luck' on arrival as to the pitch surface type across the board now?

    Write your comments here...No pot luck , just the way it should be first come first served , OK pre book awning or non awning pitch , then chose H/S or whatever you like on arrival ..... it's simple really......

  • IanH
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    edited November 2016 #612

    Why not have first come, first served on awning / non awning pitches as well then? I'd be quite happy with that.

    I'd put the ability to book a hardstanding pitch above the ability to book an awning pitch.

    That said, I'd bring in the ability to book a specific pitch (but only if you wish to do so and for a small extra fee)......that way everyone would be happy.

  • JVB66
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    edited November 2016 #613

    We always book an awning pitch,even if not useing an awning then choose either if possible on arrival depending on locationWink

  • Tammygirl
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    edited November 2016 #614

    Well I'm even more confused than normal, having just checked out a few sites for bookings I find that the Scottish sites give you the option of
    Grass or Hardstanding awning or non awning (grass are all blanked out of course at the moment) for sites that don't have grass it still says
    Hardstanding Awning/non awning.  When I check sites in England I just get the usual, Standard Pitch Awning or Standard Pitch non Awning. I will say that I've never noticed this before about the Scottish sites so it may not be anything new.
     As far as I know the sites were not part of the trial.

  • young thomas
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    edited November 2016 #615

    Why not have first come, first served on awning / non awning pitches as well then? I'd be quite happy with that.

    I'd put the ability to book a hardstanding pitch above the ability to book an awning pitch.

    That said, I'd bring in the ability to book a specific pitch (but only if you wish to do so and for a small extra fee)......that way everyone would be happy.

    exactly, why is the ability to choose an awning/non-awning pitch seen as 'not confusing to members' nor to assume that 'awning' members might go elsewhere if they couldnt book one..?

    seems no different to me, to the trialled system with HS/non, yet the club have decided to view these ar totally different scenarios......Undecided

  • Navigateur
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    edited November 2016 #616

    There are members/users for whom having an awning is mission critical. Hard or soft makes little difference apart from whatever bits of one's kit sink in the soft.

  • young thomas
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    edited November 2016 #617

    i believe that some posters on here think that not having a HS is mission critical...Wink

     

  • ErnieJH
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    edited November 2016 #618

    Does this mean that you will no longer be able to book serviced pitched to avoid the confusion it causes?

  • JayEss
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    edited November 2016 #619

    There are members/users for whom having an awning is mission critical. Hard or soft makes little difference apart from whatever bits of one's kit sink in the soft.

     

    i believe that some posters on here think that not having a HS is mission critical...Wink

     

    For us when travelling as a family both are mission critical for reasons I have explained several times

    (although an appropriate price for grass would change our view.  £16 or less)

  • baileybear
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    edited November 2016 #620

    Having posted on this subject a number of times, there is nothing more to add other than we should have the choice, just as those who do/don't use awnings do. We don't use an awning-neither do we have a problem with those who do. However, judging by the
    responses in these threads, some members seem to think those who want to be able to book H/S should be drummed out of the Club!! Also, the bad experiences we have had on grass all occurred during wet Summer months when the state of the ground should have dictated
    that the grass pitches should have been closed!

  • moulesy
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    edited November 2016 #621

    "Also, the bad experiences we have had on grass all occurred during wet Summer months when the state of the ground should have dictated that the grass pitches should have been closed!"





    But just imagine the outcry then if the club closed pitches and contacted folk late in the day cancelling their bookings! 

    To repeat what I said earlier, I've no strong feelings one way or the other on booking a pitch type as if I want to guarantee a HS I can book with C&CC. I am a little surprised though by the club's conclusion on their trial. However, I think we have to remember
    that caravanning in the UK at any time of year is a risky business, weather wise and be prepared to act accordingly. Happy

  • baileybear
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    edited November 2016 #622

    One incident was at Merrose Farm and we were told on arrival that pitches had been closed and bookings cancelled at Treamble Valley as they were completely waterlogged and unusable-that also applied at Merrose, but they stayed open!!

  • brue
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    edited November 2016 #623

    Local weather can be different, we had a pitch at St Agnes cancelled due to waterlogging, a hardstanding at Treamble saved the day.

  • EasyT
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    edited November 2016 #624

    Local weather can be different, we had a pitch at St Agnes cancelled due to waterlogging, a hardstanding at Treamble saved the day.

    How the hell did you get that?? Winking

  • nelliethehooker
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    edited November 2016 #625

    Does this mean that you will no longer be able to book serviced pitched to avoid the confusion it causes?

    Why should that cause confusion? I think the confusion has arisen because most members would not have known that there was a H/S trial going on at the sites they turned up at, and would automatically gone to a H/S pitch when they saw it was free when they
    arrived and did not know that it had been booked in advance. The wardens would not have blocked off all H/S pitches and then released them when those that had booked one arrived.

  • DiverPhil
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    edited November 2016 #626

    Does this mean that you will no longer be able to book serviced pitched to avoid the confusion it causes?

    Why should that cause confusion? I think the confusion has arisen because most members would not have known that there was a H/S trial going on at the sites they turned up at, and would automatically gone to a H/S pitch when they saw it was free when they
    arrived and did not know that it had been booked in advance. The wardens would not have blocked off all H/S pitches and then released them when those that had booked one arrived.

    Surely on arrival at their chosen site the warden would have clarified what type of pitch they were booked onto. When we arrive they always check our booking and confirm that we are on an Awning pitch, "that's the white peg sir" 

    We used a Trial site and on arrival the warden did emphasise that we had a H/S awning pitch.

    If there was confusion as the club claim, then surely it was only due to lack of information from the club, although if one checks ones booking confirmation (if made on line) it does state what type of pitch you book. I find the clubs answers to the trial
    bewildering.

  • Randomcamper
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    edited November 2016 #627

    Does this mean that you will no longer be able to book serviced pitched to avoid the confusion it causes?

    Why should that cause confusion? I think the confusion has arisen because most members would not have known that there was a H/S trial going on at the sites they turned up at, and would automatically gone to a H/S pitch when they saw it was free when they
    arrived and did not know that it had been booked in advance. The wardens would not have blocked off all H/S pitches and then released them when those that had booked one arrived.

    Surely on arrival at their chosen site the warden would have clarified what type of pitch they were booked onto. When we arrive they always check our booking and confirm that we are on an Awning pitch, "that's the white peg sir" 

    We used a Trial site and on arrival the warden did emphasise that we had a H/S awning pitch.

    If there was confusion as the club claim, then surely it was only due to lack of information from the club, although if one checks ones booking confirmation (if made on line) it does state what type of pitch you book. I find the clubs answers to
    the trial bewildering.

     

    I read the Clubs comments on the trial and assumed they were blathering because they didnt want to tell the truth, which I very strongly suspect is that there was virtually zero demand for a grass pitch and nobody would book one if we were given the option.
     This renders a significant part of the club network as unsaleable....... 

  • nelliethehooker
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    edited November 2016 #628

    Does this mean that you will no longer be able to book serviced pitched to avoid the confusion it causes?

    Why should that cause confusion? I think the confusion has arisen because most members would not have known that there was a H/S trial going on at the sites they turned up at, and would automatically gone to a H/S pitch when they saw it was free when they
    arrived and did not know that it had been booked in advance. The wardens would not have blocked off all H/S pitches and then released them when those that had booked one arrived.

    Surely on arrival at their chosen site the warden would have clarified what type of pitch they were booked onto. When we arrive they always check our booking and confirm that we are on an Awning pitch, "that's the white peg sir" 

    We used a Trial site and on arrival the warden did emphasise that we had a H/S awning pitch.

    If there was confusion as the club claim, then surely it was only due to lack of information from the club, although if one checks ones booking confirmation (if made on line) it does state what type of pitch you book. I find the clubs answers to
    the trial bewildering.

     

    I read the Clubs comments on the trial and assumed they were blathering because they didnt want to tell the truth, which
    I very strongly suspect is that there was virtually zero demand for a grass pitch and nobody would book one if we were given the option.  This renders a significant part of the club network as unsaleable....... 

    Perhaps you read too much into some of the comments on here! There is a large proportion of members who have no bother at all with having to use grass pitches and a fair number who prefer grass pitches. You only have to look at those who use both CC sites
    and rallies, which are invariably on grass, too.

  • EasyT
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    edited November 2016 #629

    I have not seen a rush for grass pitches in general. No idea at rally costs but maybe somebody is happy paying 8 quid for a pitch on grass but not £25 say? 

  • cyberyacht
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    edited November 2016 #630

    If there is reluctance to book grass, perhaps it would facilitate 'touring on a whim'

  • Whittakerr
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    edited November 2016 #631

    No reluctance to book a grass pitch from me. I’d choose grass over concrete every time.