Steep hills

johndailey
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edited August 2016 in UK Campsites & Touring #1

About 5 years ago we chartered a Motor Home and had a few days in the Lake District. Our next stop was Scarborough. On approaching or near to North Yorkshire we came across a sign advising caravans to take an alternative route due to a steep incline. This year we are travelling to Scarborough with the caravan (from Cornwall). I am fairly sure that our planned route will not involve a similar situation. Can anybody advise me if there are any steep hills on the route that are unsuitable for caravans? 

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  • Tinwheeler
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    edited August 2016 #2

    JD, if your outfit copes with our hills down here, you won't have a problem. In any case, gradient markers on the map will give you a clue  

    You are referring to the infamous Sutton Bank in Yorkshire from which caravans are now banned (although we towed up it back in the 70s without mishap).

  • nelliethehooker
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    edited August 2016 #3

    About 5 years ago we chartered a Motor Home and had a few days in the Lake District. Our next stop was Scarborough. On approaching or near to North Yorkshire we came across a sign advising caravans to take an alternative route due to a steep incline. This year we are travelling to Scarborough with the caravan (from Cornwall). I am fairly sure that our planned route will not involve a similar situation. Can anybody advise me if there are any steep hills on the route that are unsuitable for caravans? 

    I suggest you use the York bypass and then A64 to Scarborough.  You'll then miss any big hills that way.

    BTW which route are you using to get up north? Have you booked any sites miday to break your journey?

  • ForestR
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    edited August 2016 #4

    The road you encountered would be the A170 at Sutton bank where caravans have been banned for many years due to the 1 in 4. Incline. Coming north from Cornwall you do not need to go that far north. The main route from the A1 is the A64 past York to Scarborough
    which does have some hills  but nothing like Sutton bank and I have towed caravans to Scarborough on this road without a problem for many years.

  • johndailey
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    edited August 2016 #5

    TW, Nellie and Foewat R, thanks for the replies.  We have booked a CL near Dursley and intend using the A1 and A64. For the life of me I could not find the steep hill on Google maps. You have all sattisfied my question. Thanks very much. (By the way TW,
    bet I would have no problems if I needed to go up Camborne Hill)!

  • EmilysDad
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    edited August 2016 #6

    The road you encountered would be the A170 at Sutton bank where caravans have been banned for many years due to the 1 in 4. Incline.  ....

    But if you have a glider you can tow that up or down the hill to your heart's content .....we went that way last year and (while solo) saw all sorts of trailers, large & small onthe back of an arry of vehicles ... but no caravans! Incredible! 

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited August 2016 #7

    TW, Nellie and Foewat R, thanks for the replies.  ............  (By the way TW, bet I would have no problems if I needed to go up Camborne Hill)!

    Coming down!

     

    (Apologies to all non-Cornish for our reference to this folk song which may or may not be off topic

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camborne_Hill  )

  • johndailey
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    edited September 2016 #8

    (Apologies to all non-Cornish for our reference to this folk song which may or may not be off topic.

    Thanks for that TW.

  • Fysherman
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    edited September 2016 #9

    The road you encountered would be the A170 at Sutton bank where caravans have been banned for many years due to the 1 in 4. Incline.  ....

    But if you have a glider you can tow that up or down the hill to your heart's content .....we went that way last year and (while solo) saw all sorts of trailers, large & small onthe back of an arry of vehicles ... but no caravans! Incredible! 

    Rumour has it that the locals are very happy to ring the cops if they see a caravan going on the approach road from the Thirsk side.

  • EmilysDad
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    edited September 2016 #10

     .. ....

    Rumour has it that the locals are very happy to ring the cops if they see a caravan going on the approach road from the Thirsk side.

    I dare say they are. But the detour is via roads that aren't really suitable for large car & caravan outfits due to their size, but large trailers are allowed on the hill ..... I'm still baffled by the set-up

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited September 2016 #11

    I drove home solo the other day via the "caravan advisory" route, and have to say that if we had the choice, then towing up Sutton Bank, with our small caravan and powerful 4x4 would be by far the easier option. However, I will add that we know the route
    well, and know when power is required and where the hairpin bend comes into getting to the top! Driving solo, it usually involves being behind some not so route familiar drivers, who quite rightly tend to be very cautious of getting up to the top from Sutton
    under Whitestonecliffe! Hence, anyone towing will find that they just don't get the clear run and maintenance of revs that would give a trouble free tow! A decent tow car, with plenty of pulling power would be required as well for any van. So it is probably
    wiser that it remains out of bounds for caravans. No trouble in the MH though, apart from dodging broken down cars after the hairpin! The "advisory route" is interesting as well, some narrow twisty roads!Happy

  • JVB66
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    edited September 2016 #12

    I drove home solo the other day via the "caravan advisory" route, and have to say that if we had the choice, then towing up Sutton Bank, with our small caravan and powerful 4x4 would be by far the easier option. However, I will add that we know the route
    well, and know when power is required and where the hairpin bend comes into getting to the top! Driving solo, it usually involves being behind some not so route familiar drivers, who quite rightly tend to be very cautious of getting up to the top from Sutton
    under Whitestonecliffe! Hence, anyone towing will find that they just don't get the clear run and maintenance of revs that would give a trouble free tow! A decent tow car, with plenty of pulling power would be required as well for any van. So it is probably
    wiser that it remains out of bounds for caravans. No trouble in the MH though, apart from dodging broken down cars after the hairpin! The "advisory route" is interesting as well, some narrow twisty roads!Happy

    ..Nice villages thoughWink

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited September 2016 #13

    Yes, very very nice, unless you have to live there with the caravans rolling through! I think at times there is some creative parking! We spent an afternoon at Byland Abbey on Tuesday, glorious! Coxwold is lovely as well, home of Tristram Shandy!

    Wass Bank (don't try it towing!) is really beautiful, up through the woodlands, deer all over the place!

  • Fysherman
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    edited September 2016 #14

     .. ....

    Rumour has it that the locals are very happy to ring the cops if they see a caravan going on the approach road from the Thirsk side.

    I dare say they are. But the detour is via roads that aren't really suitable for large car & caravan outfits due to their size, but large trailers are allowed on the hill ..... I'm still baffled by the set-up

    I reckon most Car and Caravan outfits could do Sutton bank ok provided no one does something stupid in front of them. Once stopped (particularly at the hairpin) it would be difficult to get going again.

    I used to do that route regularly (solo) and to be honest it's the tourists doing 10 mph gawping at the views that cause the problems.

    Your point about the glider trailers is well made but probably there are comparitively few of them and they tend to know what they are doing.

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited September 2016 #15

    Agree, most powerful tow cars could do it easily, but then you would get over optimistic triers with a twin axle towed by something on the limit having a go and causing havoc! Last few times I have been up, around six in last two years, there has been some
    sort of closure or hold up! One was a HGV that didn't make the hairpin, shed its load of steel bars and ploughed up the road surface! Complete shut down both ways!  Last week was an Audi, bonnet up and steaming merrily after hairpin, going nowhere! 

    Get a good run up, nothing in front holding you up and it is a glorious driving experience, a nice steady work out for both motor and driver. Shame it isn't longer really!

    Best fun I had was going down in the snow to pick up a Chinese in Thirsk! That was hairy, especially as there was a Lorry already jackknifed at the hairpin, spun off into the bit of rough ground!

     I love Porlock Hill as well in Somerset!Laughing

  • cyberyacht
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    edited September 2016 #16

    I met a coach coming down on my side of the road to clear the hairpin as I was driving up on a recent visit to Somerset. It suggests that caravans take the toll road but it isn't a great deal better.

  • Justus2
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    edited September 2016 #17

    The best road into Scarborough by far is the A64 via York, expect some delay at the traffic lights at the eastern end of the York bypass. We came up Sutton Bank nr Thirsk a few weeks ago in our MH, the sign at the bottom said 74 closures this year due to HGV breakdowns, wouldn't suprise me if they are next to be banned. Its not can you get up it in itself, its if you HAVE to stop, can you get started again....Sad

  • jeffcc
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    edited September 2016 #18

    Sutton bank is now camera monitored for those thinking of risking it!! And consider that although you may make it up with your outfit under normal conditions what happens when you get behind and artic in crawler gear at 2mph?  The caravan route is fine contrary
    to what a lot have stated on here and i have been along it numerous times with my twin axle and estate car, yes there are a couple of hills and bends but nothing that your average outfit cannot cope with.

    BTW i have recovered several outfits from sutton bank that thought as some posters have stated that they could get up ok!! It is not worth the risk or the points on the licence

  • Fysherman
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    edited September 2016 #19

    Dont think anyone was actually contemplating doing it, (it would be illegal) just theorising it would not be that difficult providing no one impedes your progress.

    The cameras must be fairly new? Last couple of years perhaps?

  • EmilysDad
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    edited September 2016 #20

     ....

    Wass Bank (don't try it towing!) is really beautiful, ...

    But could legally do so Surprised

  • EmilysDad
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    edited September 2016 #21

     .... but probably there are comparitively few of them and they tend to know what they are doing.

    It must've been the weather for it when we were there then as I saw quite a few Laughing

  • EmilysDad
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    edited September 2016 #22

     ..... Once stopped (particularly at the hairpin) it would be difficult to get going again.

     ....

    Just press the 'GO' pedal ..... and you move Cool

  • jeffcc
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    edited September 2016 #23

    They were actually installed in 2010 However most people assume they are just there to advise drivers about the hill, not the case as they are linked direct to traffic HQ

  • Fysherman
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    edited September 2016 #24

    Might well be MM They only come out at certain times although some are stored there.

    Go pedal and tourist gawping at the view = bang.

    Having flown from there (made my arms ache)I can say it's a great place to have an air experience flight from if that pulls your chain.

  • EmilysDad
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    edited September 2016 #25

     .... the sign at the bottom said 74 closures this year due to HGV breakdowns,   ....

    Did it give stats on caravan breakdowns? Innocent

  • Fysherman
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    edited September 2016 #26

    They were actually installed in 2010 However most people assume they are just there to advise drivers about the hill, not the case as they are linked direct to traffic HQ

    Thanks jeff. 2010 is when I retired from serious work.

     It used to be a fairly regular drive for me from where I live to Scarborough.

    Don't think I have been that way since.

  • EmilysDad
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    edited September 2016 #27

     .....  The caravan route is fine contrary to what a lot have stated on here and i have been along it numerous times with my twin axle and estate car, yes there are a couple of hills and bends but nothing that your average outfit cannot cope with. ....

    It's not as good as 'fine' IMHO .... more like, 'just about passable' Laughing

  • jeffcc
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    edited September 2016 #28

    I would however agree that the ban on caravans and not trailers is silly as i have on several occasions towed car and caravan combinations up the hill with my Landy as well as cars with gliders, some of the gliders with trailers weigh more than 1800kgs when
    loaded with all there equipment!!

    Unfortuanately there is no accounting for people having common sense and not trying to go up it with there overweight and inbalanced outfits, hence the blanket ban as it would be impossible to police, i believe there is currently a petition running to get
    HGV'S banned as well

  • EmilysDad
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    edited September 2016 #29

     .... i believe there is currently a petition running to get HGV'S banned as well

    That would be a step in the right direction, unfortunately the road haulage boys tend to have more clout that the caravanists eg banning HGVs from overtaking on certain parts of the motorway & certain times like they do in Euroland doesn't seem to happen
    here or alowing then in lanes 1, 2 & 3 of a 4 lane motorway at a mean speed of 55.9765mph between them all.

  • Takethedogalong
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    edited September 2016 #30

    It is usually HGV incidents that close the road, I think the sign actually says "HGV's". You get the odd car having issues, but as I mentioned earlier, the HGV incidents can be very bad, shedding of loads, total wipe out on the hairpin, sometimes road surface
    has to be repaired depending upon what happens. We stay in cottages at Old Byland on a fairly regular basis, and it's always a guess if road will be open to get up to top. Many is the time we have detoured around Kilburn and up Wass Bank! 

  • johndailey
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    edited September 2016 #31

    Foewat R

    Sorry, I meant to type ForestR.