Site wardens allocating pitches

sadsac
sadsac Forum Participant Posts: 3
edited July 2016 in UK Campsites & Touring #1

I contacted the bridlington site to enquire about pitch availability for the following week ,to be informed that the only pitches that would be available were liable to flood.

It is my understanding that pitches were not allocated by the wardens but on a first come basis.

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  • SteveL
    SteveL Club Member Posts: 12,311 ✭✭✭
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    edited July 2016 #2

    You are correct. However, I  assume they meant you could book a pitch, although in the event of wet weather / flooding, as one of the last to book, you would be canceled first.

  • JollyKernow
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    edited July 2016 #3

    It could be that the site is full except for the pitches that may flood?

    Regarding pitch allocation, you might have a look in your handbook on page 272, Rule 1c. The last sentence reads -"there may also be times when we have to allocate your pitch due to site layout or ground conditions"

    Hope this is of use.

  • InaD
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    edited July 2016 #4

    From that I understand that those pitches which are liable to flood have either not been available to choose from in the first place, or, on arrival people have been told those pitches are liable to flood, and have not chosen those.

    I think the title of the thread is jumping to conclusions.

  • Kennine
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    edited July 2016 #5

    Being a member of both Caravanning organisations, I don't have a problem with wardens allocating pitches, so long as it is done fairly and without favour. 

    The warden will know which pitches may be under water if there is heavy rain and I'm happy to be guided by his knowledge of the site. 

    Smile

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  • IanH
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    edited July 2016 #7

    If they have pitches that are liable to flooding, surely they should be sorting them out!

    As this is a fairly new site, why didn't they get the contractor to sort it out as a defect?

    Either way......just get on and sort it out!! Stop putting the risk of a cancelled holiday onto members.

  • JVB66
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    edited July 2016 #8

    If they have pitches that are liable to flooding, surely they should be sorting them out!

    As this is a fairly new site, why didn't they get the contractor to sort it out as a defect?

    Either way......just get on and sort it out!! Stop putting the risk of a cancelled holiday onto members.

    ...Oh the nieve member,if you had been to this and others that have suffered in recent years and your "qualifications?"you of all who post on here would understand the latest weather related situations that are giving problems to many organisations in the UK,trying to finance the work needed

  • mickysf
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    edited July 2016 #9

    Sensitively applied discretion which enhances the holiday experience and lessens or eliminates any possible detrimental issues can only be good for the individual effected and the  majority!

  • David2115
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    edited July 2016 #10

    Why would you contact a warden in advance to ask about pitch availability? How could they know what pitches a member arriving will pick. Unless all the pitches are currently occupied by Members on long stay breaks. 

  • IanH
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    edited July 2016 #11

    My point is that Bridlington is a relatively new site.

    When it was built, the design team would / should have designed a solution that worked.

    So, either the design was wrong, or it was built wrong.

    Either way, the CC's consultants should have ensured that faults were corrected, either as defects under the construction contract or as latent defects.

    As a final resort, the CC should question the design and, if necessary, seek recompense (and correction of the defective work) via the design consutant's Profesional Indemnity Insurance.

    JVB - my qualifications are that I'm a Chartered Surveyor who specialised in construction contracts.

  • IanH
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    edited July 2016 #12

    Or put another way......if you are in the business of selling caravan pitches, you should ensure that they all work and can be sold. 

  • JVB66
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    edited July 2016 #13

    And if the High rainfall of recent years since the site was built had been predicted by the "experts"it would then probably have had an enhanced drainage system installed could have been installed,its the costruction industry "experts" that tend to give the end user the most problems when anything is actually in use   

  • IanH
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    edited July 2016 #14

    Modern drainage systems are / should be designed for a 1 in 100 year event (the worst possible event that could be expected over a 100 year period), plus an allowance for climate change - usually an additional 20% over and above the worst possible event.

    If they haven't, then they aren't working correctly.

  • EmilysDad
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    edited July 2016 #15

    They didn't work at my parent's house on Boxing day ..... they were knee deep in river water .....never before in the 50+ yrs they've lived there

  • IanH
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    edited July 2016 #16

    It is a big problem with housing, because the builder doesn't really care about the subsequent occupier. And 50 year old designs often aren't robust enough to cope with modern conditions caused by higher rainfall and more of the ground being paved over.

    I'm sorry to hear about your parents, it's a desperately sad situation to be in.

  • EmilysDad
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    edited July 2016 #17

     ......

    I'm sorry to hear about your parents, it's a desperately sad situation to be in.

    And the icing on the cake is that they weren't insured, not cos they didn't have the money,  but cos my Mum told the insurers that she wasn't prepared to pay the extra £400 they wanted to cover flooding ... cos they'd never been flooded in 50 yrs! Sad

  • Kennine
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    edited July 2016 #18

    Surely if there are sites with pitches which flood, those pitches are "not fit for purpose."  The site needs to be redesigned to enable all their pitches are fit for purpose 365 days of the year.

    K Cool

     

  • JVB66
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    edited July 2016 #19

    We have had exceptionaly high rainfall over the last few years,our estate was built 50yrs ago and 2yrs ago the main storm drain ,it is about 18ins with very large cast iron inspection covers ,the drain itself is about 10ft below the surface,on this particular
    storm several of the covers were lifted off their mountings and taken over 50ft down the roads,so much for 100yr events

  • JVB66
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    edited July 2016 #20

    Surely if there are sites with pitches which flood, those pitches are "not fit for purpose."  The site needs to be redesigned to enable all their pitches are fit for purpose 365 days of the year.

    K Cool

     

    ..Now why did a post like that not surprise from yourself without a lot of thought before posting?Undecided

  • IanH
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    edited July 2016 #21

    What?

  • Alphonso Delard
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    edited July 2016 #22

    We arrived late to Southport on Thursday evening, about 7pm. It was busy, a warden came to meet us on arrival, as the office had shut. They had allocated us a pitch, gave us a map with the pitch highlighted, and showed us the route. Great we thought, until
    we got to the pitch and it was already occupied :-/

    During the weekend the wardens used many cones on pitches, presumbly pre allocating pitches for whatever reason.

  • frontdoorlocked
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    edited July 2016 #23

    We arrived late to Southport on Thursday evening, about 7pm. It was busy, a warden came to meet us on arrival, as the office had shut. They had allocated us a pitch, gave us a map with the pitch highlighted, and showed us the route. Great we thought, until
    we got to the pitch and it was already occupied :-/

    During the weekend the wardens used many cones on pitches, presumbly pre allocating pitches for whatever reason.

     

    We experienced the same thing - wardens putting cones on pitches - last year at Carsington. When we arrived we were told that the front of the site was full, so try further back, but driving around we saw that quite a few 'good' pitches were coned off not
    occupied and we had to pitch right at the back where the electric supply was dodgy, spacing was really tight and the pitches flooded.

    The 'good' pitches stayed coned off for days and then we noticed the wardens taking caravans out of the storage area and pitching them in the coned off areas. We weren't happy campers!! Frown

  • DSB
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    edited July 2016 #24

    We have arrived at Blackhorse Farm before now and have had the pitch allocated.  We arrived late.  The office was shut but there were notes left on the board outside for those arriving a little later with pitch allocations.  Not a problem for us.

    David 

  • IanH
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    edited July 2016 #25

    We have also had pitches allocated at Black Horse Farm. This was on the ferry pitches and I think they arrange them in order of leaving - first departers nearest the exit (they ask you what time your ferry / train is when you ring them to pay in advance).

    This makes sense to me.

    But saving pitches for 'regulars' who have their caravan stored on site (or for anyone else) is not acceptable.

    I would like to be able to book a specific pitch but this isn't available (yet!) so it has to be first come first served.

  • KeefySher
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    edited July 2016 #26

    We have also had pitches allocated at Black Horse Farm. This was on the ferry pitches and I think they arrange them in order of leaving - first departers nearest the exit (they ask you what time your ferry / train is when you ring them to pay in advance).

    This makes sense to me.

    But saving pitches for 'regulars' who have their caravan stored on site (or for anyone else) is not acceptable.

    I would like to be able to book a specific pitch but this isn't available (yet!) so it has to be first come first served.

    Are those 'regulars', families per chance? Tongue Out

    Isn't the tagline of the CC, 'The Friendly Club'?

  • SteveL
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    edited July 2016 #27

    As has been shown on another thead on this forum recently, it is all to easy to jump to conclusions. Pitches could have cones on for any number of reasons. Unless you have asked the wardens, anything posted has to be pure speculation. But as with some of the daily papers, there is nothing folk like more than a good scandal.

  • Kennine
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    edited July 2016 #28

    As has been shown on another thead on this forum recently, it is all to easy to jump to conclusions. Pitches could have cones on for any number of reasons. Unless you have asked the wardens, anything posted has to be pure speculation. But as with some of the daily papers, there is nothing folk like more than a good scandal.

    Write your comments here...What's wrong with a bit of speculation ????.  There are numerous reasons why pitches could be reserved by the warden, it would be unfair not to consider all the options

    After all if the warden put a sign on the traffic cone saying " This pitch is not to be used because of ***** "    --then there would be no need to speculate, would there.??

     

    Wink

  • JVB66
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    edited July 2016 #29

    We have also had pitches allocated at Black Horse Farm. This was on the ferry pitches and I think they arrange them in order of leaving - first departers nearest the exit (they ask you what time your ferry / train is when you ring them to pay in advance).

    This makes sense to me.

    But saving pitches for 'regulars' who have their caravan stored on site (or for anyone else) is not acceptable.

    I would like to be able to book a specific pitch but this isn't available (yet!) so it has to be first come first served.

    Are those 'regulars', families per chance? Tongue Out

    Isn't the tagline of the CC, 'The Friendly Club'?

    Write your comments here...No "The Friendly Club"is oft quoted for the c&cc, but be assured that is a headline that does not stand up to scrutany ,as do many of the the comments on hereCool

  • SteveL
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    edited July 2016 #30

    If folk are that bothered. I incidentally am not. Just ask the warden. They are after all within the rules permitted to assign pitches in certain circumstances. Why should they have to put up a sign every time justifying their actions. As I say, if you are
    bothered, just ask.

  • little boy blue
    little boy blue Forum Participant Posts: 19
    edited July 2016 #31

    Any more thoughts on the subject from the OP?