CLOSED - Prices of pitches
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"..how does this equate to families who cant go when prices are lower out of season are they not subsidising other people?"
Ah, there's the rub, Nicko! Some commercial sites do offer fantastic cheap deals when families can't take advantage of them ... and then whack on the prices in peak season/school holidays. So yes, those families do subsidise the special off peak offers.
The CC price structure, for all its perceived faults, does at least offer an alternative; prices are slightly higher in peak (and yes, they may have more "peak" dates than before) but not to the same degree as those commercials, particularly in the sort of
holiday hotspot areas families are drawn to.M..Thats it in a nutshell and what some still fail to "understand
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Seacroft in Norfolk is smaller but similar to Hillhead,and very popular,but when we were there a couple of weeks ago the site was very busy,but clubhouse/pool not, so people (inc us) went to the site for where it was ,not for anything else
Write your comments here...i found the same last week
..Must admit did have a couple of pints of Doombar during "happy hour".but as we were on a pitch behind pool took drink to c/van and sat in sun
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If you read recent reports in the June mag you'd know that the CC is looking ahead and thinking of changes. Apparently quite a few people want more Hillhead type sites. Hillhead is an example of a site with a leisure complex that doesn't spill out all over
the site and if younger families want more of this I expect the CC will already be thinking about it. I'm a fan of small non fac sites and I hope the balance of choice will stay.
The Hillhead sites come at a price for those that want it.It also come at a price for those that don't want it too. The cost of 1 Hillhead would probably be the same as for 2 or 3 standard club sites. Surely more sites, with a greater number of pitches, is the way to go, and not over priced all singing all dancing
sitesThere is no need for a site with added facilities - shop, bar, restaurant, pool, etc. - to be more expensive. The extras should be self-financing as they are is the vast majority of commercial sites.
...But on cc sites they do not tend to be inflated prices
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There is no need for a site with added facilities - shop, bar, restaurant, pool, etc. - to be more expensive.
The extras should be self-financing as they are is the vast majority of commercial sites. The only thing that may push up the price is the added popularity.I take it you mean overall? As a pool is very expensive to run. Or are you suggesting it is charged extra, as at some commercial sites we have been on?
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Pools are indeed very expensive to maintain.
Our kids went to 2 different (private) schools.
One, long after our son was there, decided to put in their own pool. The ongoing costs were considerable, but there was no convenient public pool in the area.
The other, while our daughter was there, decided against their own pool, on the grounds of cost, and as there was a convenient public pool.
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Ah, there's the rub, Nicko! Some commercial sites do offer fantastic cheap deals when families can't take advantage of them ... and then whack on the prices in peak season/school holidays. So yes, those families do subsidise the special off peak offers. The CC price structure, for all its perceived faults, does at least offer an alternative; prices are slightly higher in peak (and yes, they may have more "peak" dates than before) but not to the same degree as those commercials, particularly in the sort of holiday hotspot areas families are drawn to.
It's got nothing to do with one group subsidising an other, you are now arguing for a solo/ singles supplement within the CC price bands, people are not a captive audience, they are free to go to what ever site they choose, therefore sites will price at what they believe will attract the numbers that being true regardless of the season in,.
The CC and C&CC do exactly the same with the product they offer what this thread and you plus others are demonstrating is a belief that the product doesn't match your criteria for value for money within the sector. Which brings us to the confusion you are having.
There are two models and only two, Holiday parks, Caravan sites. Both clubs are in the caravan site market, the problem here is, expectations are increasing, Holiday parks are biting into the caravan site market, caravan sites haven't the resources or land to step up.
We wouldn't normally "Holiday" on the type of site we are on we would choose a pool and therefore are Holiday park users. In order to attract our business discounts had to be offered and it worked because here we are. The CC need to understand this rather than have a belief about the CC product which is against market trends and priced higher than the sector they are in. I have a long history in retail discounts move product it has alway and will always be the case.
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The two clubs offer a different choice, the C&CC have gone down the route of expansion into holiday "lodges," statics by any other name, but not on the scale of the big holiday parks also Forest Holidays. The CC have stuck with touring only sites with a few holiday lets and even less camping. The big holiday parks get revenue from the near all year round static lets and sales. To operate their sites off peak they offer reduced rates and special half term rates. Some CC members would be interested to know whether similar off peak offers would also tempt more people to use CC sites.
Personally, even at special rates the big holiday parks with acres of statics have no appeal which is why we belong to both clubs to take advantage of club rates etc. But there are smaller commercial sites that do offer good value.
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As has been said by many on this forum, the CC could improve their income and encourage use of otherwise empty pitches by using market forces to determine their prices for their pitches.
During off season and midweek periods (monday night to thursday night) they could reduce their prices by 33%.
During high season and weekends, the prices could be slightly increased to reflect over-demand and poor availability.
Following market forces would be the most fair and cost effective method of determining pitch prices.
K
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didn't i show you last week, that a week at SB or at Lytton Lawns was actually 15% cheaper for the week than our previously used CC site?
yes, the weekend price was hiked up, but the remainder of the week was so cheap that a family having a week at either of these was saving money.
while club prices are more consistent, they are consistently high...
last week of course was not school holidays, so a family with school age children might find it difficult to take advantage of the mid week prices and could only go for a weekend. I would be interested to know if the same pricing structure applies in a weeks time, when the schools break up.
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Nothing will induce me to stay on a big park site, have visited family and friends and it doesn't appeal even though the facilities are often very good. I'm trying to think of any CC sites that aren't reasonably full in the school holidays? The type of holiday venue the CC provides does have appeal. I wonder if half term offers would increase site usage? Probably better mid week discounts would bring in more people as the weekends are certainly full in many places.
Back to square one I think?!
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Nothing will induce me to stay on a big park site, have visited family and friends and it doesn't appeal even though the facilities are often very good. I'm trying to think of any CC sites that aren't reasonably full in the school holidays? The type of holiday
venue the CC provides does have appeal. I wonder if half term offers would increase site usage? Probably better mid week discounts would bring in more people as the weekends are certainly full in many places.Back to square one I think?!
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We were at Haven outside Porthmadog end of season last year, the sea of statics were 95% empty, the caravan site within that Holiday park was 95% full.
I'm pleased you have no intention of trying this site it's getting far too popular, I pity the caravan sites nearby.
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Does any body not think that this thread will run and run, round and round in circles, with the same old same old repeated as on most threads that have got nowhere
Yep, just another merry go round for some people to gain more points ,zzzzzzzzz
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I think the CC instead of adding more "holiday park" facilities should just price what they have more realisticaly and fairly. Lots like what they offer just not the price.
..The time that either of the major supplyers.of pitches in this country will need to bring in any other priceing than what at the moment is "reasonable"enough, to continue to attract the hundreds of thousands that at times more than they have space for,is when "hell freezes over"
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I spend much of my caravanning year on sites with all the facilities mentioned, pools shop restaurant although we rarely use much apart from the shop. The point is that the pool is there but nobody forces one to take a swim, its nice at times AND providing we don't pitch too close it causes no inconvenience .However we are paying a fraction of club site prices and might feel different about unused facilities if we were
...But that is normally at the time of year when the sites are not making up the loss they are taking to just keep going, rather than the higher cost of closing them and reopening
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