There's always at least one!!
Have just left the CC's Stamford Site today at 11:30.and by then 2 vans had arrived, one at 11:10.
Why must some members think
that the advertised arrival time does not apply to them? 
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Were they allowed on site, Nellie? I really think this is one area where the CC needs a rethink. I don't know what access to Stamford is like but I know of many CC sites where access is directly of a major road with no difficult at all. Where that is the
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cos most vans are driven by men and men think that rules are made to be broken ,that;s why they can't drive at 5mph but the reason could be depends how far the person travelled ,they could have allowed themselves plenty of time in case of problems and got
there early ,the rule is frustrating to me as I sometimes go to sites that are only an hour away so have to sit at home twiddling my thumbs till 11 am so I not break the rule ,I'm going to Poolsbrook in the morning it's only an hour away but as it;s a country
park with free car park I can go in there first ,clumber on the other hand is owned by the NT so is expensive to park just for an hour or so !!!0 -
Were they allowed on site, Nellie? I really think this is one area where the CC needs a rethink. I don't know what access to Stamford is like but I know of many CC sites where access is directly of a major road with no difficult at all. Where that is the
case I find it hard to understand why they maintain such a rigid arrival/departure policy.Not only was the first one allowed on the site but there was a pitch reserved for him!!
The second one was at the office as
we were heading out, but it would appear that he was booking in. The site is at the end of a 3/4 ml narrowish lane with a few passing places, only a couple of which are opposite each other, so not the easiest stretch of road for two units to pass each other.0 -
This really interesting. A number of sites I use have narrow access roads and if people don't adhere to the rules the it leads to difficulty. On one occasion I met a member coming in at 1030 and he expected me to reverse out of his way!!! The other club
has a 1p.m. arrival time. This is because of access and also to give staff at least an hour to maintain the pitch. 2 years ago I saw a couple arrive at 1100 and were told to go away. Quite right -rules are rules.0 -
The answer or at least a partial one is to do as Camping in the Forrest do and charge extra for early arrivals. Not only does it discourage early arrivals but for those who ignore it they have agreed to help improve the clubs profitability.
The C&CC tried it a few years ago but it did not appear to do any good, as some willingly pay the extra just to get in before everyone else. I would also suspect that it caused a lot of extra hassle & abuse for the site managers/wardens. They have stopped
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Why does other people's arrival time at a site upset Club members so? I go to a hotel and never notice what time other people arrive. Some get there before me and some afterwards. It's no concern of mine.
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Why does other people's arrival time at a site upset Club members so? I go to a hotel and never notice what time other people arrive. Some get there before me and some afterwards. It's no concern of mine.
The main difference being they do not make it difficult for leavers on any narrow approach road,
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In a hotel one can book a specific room, in which case one can arrive at any time and it is available. The alternative scrabble to get a decent pitch is quite unseemly - but part of the quaint tradition we are forced to maintain.
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I think that even with a perfectly good access road some Club members would still get upset about other people's arrival time. They would still watch it, check it and criticise it. It's what they do.
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What about caravanners who may wish to go out for the day in their car? Should they be restricted to the same time slots for departures and arrivals?
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I tend to agree somewhat that places where there are not narrow approaches it would be nice ,it,s now 9.15 I'm up packed and ready for the off and as it's a nice day I do not want to sit here bored out of my head waiting till 11am to go to the place I'm
going ,this rule has made me go to places where I know I can park nearby so I can get there early ,do it at Burrs too when I go there as it's down the M62 from here arrive at the country park early and walk into Bury first of course if it's raining when I
go can't do this so have to sit here twiddling my thumbs ,I know the club has to have rules but I find it infuriating always has done but aint nothing I can do !!!0 -
I think that even with a perfectly good access road some Club members would still get upset about other people's arrival time. They would still watch it, check it and criticise it. It's what they do.
You're probably correct, but the reason they get so upset at the moment is because the club has this rigid arrival/departure system. I agree where there is difficult access there is a reason for this. But I can think of a number of sites we've used in the
past (Broadway, Moreton in Marsh, Putts Corner to name 3) where access is directly of a major road and even with say 4 or 5 units arriving at the same time, the arrival area is large enough to accommodate them. Where that's the case I can't personally see
any reason for having to wait for the midday scramble. In a way early arrivals penalise themselves because they probably have a more limited choice of pitches. But, of course, to compensate for that they have the rest of the day to start enjoying their break.
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Okay I can see both sides of this debate, but the point is the rate charged is for a 24 hr period of stay from 12.00 or 13.00 till the same the next day as a maximum.
if you arrive at 09.00 then would you be prepared to leave by 09.00 the following day. The result would be arrival and departing chaos, that's why set times are specified whether we like it or not.
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Well, to be honest, I'm not sure about your first point, John. I agree that the rules are what they are and we stick to them until and unless they change.
But I have to say I think there'd actually be less chaos than at present where multiple numbers of vans arrive as close to 12 as possible and then leave it till as close to 12 as possible to leave. Surely spreading out arrivals and departures ( where the
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moulesy I agree that you get the 12.00 rush, but this is caused by people trying to choose the best available pitch within the time frame of the site arrival period.
I usually arrive mid afternoon and find on busy sites that my choice of pitch is either already made by the warden or very limited, hence the 12.00 rush.
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John, if we could, we'd arrive earlier, say 10 ish at most sites we use ( on CLs it's rarely a problem!). But it's nothing to do with grabbing the best pitch; indeed, we'd accept that we'd probably have less choice anyway. It's more to do with making the
most of the first day of our break. That'd be one less 12 o'clock arrival straight away!
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The answer or at least a partial one is to do as Camping in the Forrest do and charge extra for early arrivals. Not only does it discourage early arrivals but for those who ignore it they have agreed to help improve the clubs profitability.
The C&CC tried it a few years ago but it did not appear to do any good, as some willingly pay the extra just to get in before everyone else. I would also suspect that it caused a lot of extra hassle & abuse for the site managers/wardens. They have stopped
doing it now.If the purpose was to discourage early arrival, then the additional fee wasn't sufficiently punitive to influence behaviour. If early arrivals were charged £30, no ifs or buts, it would focus the mind wonderfully. Not that I'm in any way suggesting there
should be a rigid time, merely the method to ensure it's complied with. Like a number of others, where access is not an issue flexibility could be the norm.0 -
No ifs, no buts, no extra charges. Let's have a lot more Club sites running like the one at Edinburgh - arrivals from 9 a.m. If they can do it then so can others.
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The first day of our touring holiday involves travel to a different area of the country. We generally leave home just after 10 am and by the time we have travelled to our first site, it is well into late afternoon. This includes a break for lunch.
So we would never be in the "arriving too early" category.
The only people who would be in that category are those who only holiday around their own county and don't tour anywhere else.
K
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How would the any-time arrival policy work for wardens? It seems to me that the current system which enables wardens to organise their time so that the vast majority of arrivals are met with an open reception desk for welcoming, booking in, offering advice
and information etc etc is just fine. I feel that wardens should have a 'feel' for who is on the site and where they are pitched, and should not be expected to be continually catching up with new arrivals.0 -
The first day of our touring holiday involves travel to a different area of the country. We generally leave home just after 10 am and by the time we have travelled to our first site, it is well into late afternoon. This includes a break for lunch.
So we would never be in the "arriving too early" category.
The only people who would be in that category are those who only holiday around their own county and don't tour anywhere else.
K
But try widening your thinking, K. When we travel, say from Wiltshire to the Lake District ( or even north of the border!) we'll break the journey and stop at a CL for a couple of nights on the way. That way we see another different area of the country.
Personally, I don't like towing for 4 or 5 hours just to arrive at my eventual destination tired to start with. So, for us, a couple of nights on a CL and then an early start to arrive early at our main site would be ideal.But that's just our way of doing
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How would the any-time arrival policy work for wardens? It seems to me that the current system which enables wardens to organise their time so that the vast majority of arrivals are met with an open reception desk for welcoming, booking in, offering advice
and information etc etc is just fine. I feel that wardens should have a 'feel' for who is on the site and where they are pitched, and should not be expected to be continually catching up with new arrivals.Sites are not run for the convenience of wardens - or at least they shouldn't be. As I said earlier, the staff at Edinburgh Club site cope very well with arrivals from 9a.m. and there are many other sites with multiple wardens where things could run in
the same way. But change in this Club proceeds at the pace of a snail.0 -
We arrived on-site this morning at 10.15am, a very nice relaxed welcome just the way it should
Oh sorry just realised it is for UK sites only, don't worry one day they will see the light
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No ifs, no buts, no extra charges. Let's have a lot more Club sites running like the one at Edinburgh - arrivals from 9 a.m. If they can do it then so can others.
Presumably Edinburgh have found the system works for them. However, they do have a very easy approach and a large area where they could stack vans if a pitch is not available. Also on our stays at Edinburgh people do seem to be on the move from an early hour, thus freeing up spaces. Unfortunately I can point to a lot of sites where the above is not the case. Access is narrow and there is little or no room for vans to wait for a pitch and folk leave closer to 12:00 than 9:00. Clearly if the system was extended it would have to be very selective.
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