Booking a specific pitch
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Presumably if you can book a pitch type and you choose grass over hardstanding, you would be the one to loose out if they were too wet to use. Rather than someone who booked a hardstanding at a later date?
But I've never wanted to choose ...... apart from awning or no awning
'twas not aimed at anybody in particular. Just given the other threads on here, re cancelations, a genuine question.
I know
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David, thanks very much for your responses.
like you, i look forward to the results of the survey....i can be contacted at......
I'll be letting folk know as soon as I hear anything.
David
.....but wont it be the club that lets us know....?
or will you be told before the results are released?
What I meant was.... when the Club releases the information, I will let people know on here in order to help publicise it. I doubt if I'll know before the release.
David
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Do the majority of CC members want more hardstandings or is it that those that want hardstandings are more vocal? I would dig up every hardstanding and turf it!
We are at Incleboro ..... if everyone preferred gravel then they would all be taken but they're not.
Great MollysMum, I hope you are going to the sites that we are going to as then more hard standings available for us. Mud under the awning floor, mud walking into the caravan, we would rather stay at home. And in answer to your other comment - if a grass
pitch had a lovely view or was amazing compared to a hard standing pitch we would still pick the hardstanding pitch. If a site isn't at least 75 per cent hard standing then we don't book, as too much chance of having to have a grass pitch.0 -
I would like to be able to book a specific pitch. Many commercial sites manage to do it effectively so it must be both possible and reasonably cost effective or they wouldnt do it.
It would save all the 12.00 issues, make managing pitches a lot easier for wardens, arrival times more flexible and those who book earliest get the pitch choice to suit them (Bearing in mind we dont all want the same anyway). Win win I think.
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I would not want it as it would reduce pitch availability as there would be a number of pitches getting booked with small gaps between. This would come about if someone booked it until say a Thursday and someone else took it for the Saturday. That would almost certainly mean that pitch was empty for the Friday. You would get worse results with two day gaps and the odd three day ones. As it is we have a serious shortage of pitches and being able to book them would make things worse and I do not want that.
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@ Debsc ...... we've been here a week on grass and our carpet is still mud free .... a few bits of mown grass maybe
Maybe you are luckier than us with the weather. Even if the pitch is dry when we get there it always seems to get wet and muddy before we leave.
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@ Debsc ...... we've been here a week on grass and our carpet is still mud free .... a few bits of mown grass maybe
Maybe you are luckier than us with the weather. Even if the pitch is dry when we get there it always seems to get wet and muddy before we leave.
We seem to have had recently .... even got a sun tan last Sept in Scotland!
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I think it probably works pretty well on sites where bookings are predominantly weekend to weekend. But club sites aren't like that are they.
And just think of the mess on frenzy day when all those folk who book every weekend at Rowntree, Chatsworth etc also want to book the same pitch each time!
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.......let me try and explain this....
If a site had just 3 pitches. Let's give an example over a 7 day period. Pitch A is booked on days 1,2 &3 by person 1. Pitch B is booked on days 3,4&5 by person 2. Pitch C is booked on days 5,6&7 by person 3. If someone wanted a 7 night stay (person
4), it couldn't be done without moving pitches.If pitches were not booked, but allocated on arrival, person 1 would choose pitch A when he arrived. Person 4 might choose pitch C for the 7 days. Person 2 arrives on day 3 and has to go on pitch B as it is the only one available. Person 3 arrives on
day 5 and has to go on pitch A as it is the only one available (person 1 has already departed on day 3) Therefore all 4 people have been accommodated for the full length of their stay on 3 pitches.Multiply this sort of problem by the number of people requiring a pitch and the number of pitches..... I hope this makes some sort of sense.
David
David,
You can give all manner of permutations, but in your example, when person 4 went on-line to book, the current system would show the site as not being available for their proposed 7 night stay.......so they would go elsewhere.
As I tried to explain, booking a pitch while booking is no different to chosing a pitch when you arrive.
The jigsaw has to fit together, whenever the choice of pitch is made.
Under the current system, a percentage of pitches must be left as 'unavailable' in the booking system, to give the necessary amount of slack in the system to accommodate different arrival and departure days and different lengths of stay.
Those empty pitch numbers currently have to be 'guessed' and will necessarily be on tbe high side, to ensure that no-one is left without a pitch. If pre-booking of pitches were allowed, people would book what was actually available, and the number of 'voids'
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As I tried to explain, booking a pitch while booking is no different to chosing a pitch when you arrive.
The jigsaw has to fit together, whenever the choice of pitch is made.
Under the current system, a percentage of pitches must be left as 'unavailable' in the booking system, to give the necessary amount of slack in the system to accommodate different arrival and departure days and different lengths of stay.
Those empty pitch numbers currently have to be 'guessed' and will necessarily be on tbe high side, to ensure that no-one is left without a pitch. If pre-booking of pitches were allowed, people would book what was actually available, and the number of 'voids'
would be less.That just does not make sense. Under the current system there will either be a pitch available, or there won't, as you cannot book a specific pitch. The only reason for leaving a percentage as unavailable would be to cope with problems, such as faulty EHU's
or local flooding. If all the pitches were booked by number, and one was unavailable for any reason, the person on that pitch would have to be cancelled if there was no slack in the system.0 -
It is not necessary for the club to leave any pitches as 'unavailable' with the exception, perhaps, for sites where there is a known problem with having to close pitches due to unforeseen circumstances. In the majority of cases, it is possible for the Club to offer all pitch for 'hire', and I have, indeed, been on sites where all pitches have been taken.
By allowing people to book specific pitches at the time of booking, it would make it more difficult for those who want to book later to get a booking slot to fit their exact requirements/ length of stay.
David
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I think it probably works pretty well on sites where bookings are predominantly weekend to weekend. But club sites aren't like that are they.
And just think of the mess on frenzy day when all those folk who book every weekend at Rowntree, Chatsworth etc also want to book the same pitch each time!
Where we have been able to book a specific pitch the site hasnt been any more week-week booking type than the CC ones - we have seen the same amount of leavers/arrivers as a typical CC site.
As for the booking frenzy - surely a decent computer system would take care of that with ease. You choose your nights, and pitch, computer looks and if they are available it lets you book it - if not then you cant. Just like booking a service pitch.
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Choice is key! When you choose seems is be important to some. If folk want a specific pre-pitch booking system then choose to use those commercial site which adopt this.
However, like many, I would suggest, I prefer and choose the system we currently have and I choose this system because it works for me and has done for many over the decades.
If all the industry adopted the same practice the differences would disappear and the different ways we arrange our holidays would disappear.
Keep as is for me. As long as I have a hard standing choosing on arrival from those that are available is fine.
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I choose this system because it works for me and has done for many over the decades.
Spoken like a true CC stalwart....this is the way we have always done it so lets not change.
As long as I have a hard standing choosing on arrival from those that are available is fine.
Ahhh - so actually you arent happy to choose from what is available on arrival if they just happen to be all grass? How are you going to guarantee you get a hard standing? Either by the new (shock horror not the way its been for decades) choice on booking
of grass/hard stand, or by booking a serviced pitch which is effectively pretty close to booking a specific pitch as there are usually only a few per site and they are marked on the site plans so you know where you will be going on the site.0 -
The only way of guaranteeing a hardstanding pitch at present is by booking a full serviced pitch, or by going to one of the sites that are trialling the booking of the specific pitch types, hardstanding or grass. Apparently there are a very small number
of pitches that have full serviced pitches on grass. If you want to guarantee a hardstanding, just avoid these sites.Another way of guaranteeing a hardstanding is by booking a site out of season when the site does not have grass pitches in service. It is a good idea to check with the site first, to make sure grass pitches are not in use before you book.
David
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Another way of guaranteeing a hardstanding is by booking a site out of season when the site does not have grass pitches in service. It is a good idea to check with the site first, to make sure grass pitches are not in use before you book.
David
Even in season at some sites you are fairly safe. I have never seen the grass pitches in use at Troutbeck yet. Although I assume they must at some time, or they would have been converted to HS. Wouldn't they?
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As BB says.....Under the current system of booking awning or non-awning pitches, this reduces choice when you arrive on site. We have to chose one of these types in advance and are tgen stuck with it......even if we would have preferred the other type when
we arrive.So no system is perfect.
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On the question of 'void' pitches built into the system to allow slack......I have always assumed this must be the case, but I'm prepared to be corrected.
When you go on line to book, the computer might say 'yes, your 7 nights are available but it will be 2 nights on one pitch, 3 on another and 2 on another, as they come free'. To avoid this, I had assumed that they built in some slack.
However, I agree with David that we too have seen at least one site full to the brim.......so how do they ensure that everyone fits, when they randomly select pitches on arrival?
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OK, so if you have a combination of pre-booked/choose on arrival how does that work? Say I arrive on a Sunday for a 7 night stay without having prebooked a pitch - am I given a list of all/any pitches that happen to be unbooked for all 7 days and have to
choose from them? Is that practical? What if, between then choosing my pitch and reporting back to the warden (which might be a couple of hours later) someone books that pitch online for the following Wednesday? Who has priority?Surely it's a logistical nightmare? I can see the argument for a choice of HS/grass where both are available - one of the better features of the C&CC system, but specific pitches? No, I don't think so!
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