Wardens in hiding
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erm .... "overcrowded"? I thought they were struggling to get punters in from various comments that are made on here!
OK, I know what you mean, David, and in some ways I'd agree that the older club sites are poorly designed by today's standards but it's noticeable that the new sites, and sites which are being redeveloped are an improvement on the older ones.
And, back on topic, I think even the most begrudging CC member would have to admit that wardens ( remember that's the subject of this thread) cannot be blamed for the design and layout of club sites.
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Come to think of it, it's not so very long ago that some folk were comparing CC sites with prison camps and moaning about all the rules. So IF there's been any relaxation, maybe it's a sign that the club has listened to member's comments!
Write your comments here...That was what I was inferring with my original post. That the management were suggesting a move towards the"friendly c&cc that last years complaints were suggesting. My further point was that as the CC and C&CC had slightly different
approaches it would be best to maintain the difference to allow those that want a more liberated approach to use the C&CC whilst those liking a little more regimentation could choose the CC.Following my comments, I Had my jeans savaged by a little yorkie that was allowed to run around off lead, along with the owners two other little terriers. Not the only time the dog had been seen to show agression. The owner was not the slightest concerned
and told me it was non of my business that the dog should be on a lead. Just as well it was not a child's leg.the warden was informed but I do not know what action was taken.
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BM, you can rest assured. JK has made the situation absolutely clear!
Write your comments here...Just got home, so need to catch up.
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BM - JK, who is a warden, has confirmed that the only rule which can possibly be interpreted as having been relaxed is the one relating to departure times. And that's not a new relaxation, more a confirmation of what has always been the case. Hope that helps!
BTW, you have my sympathy as far as the dog situation is concerned and I'm glad you at least let the warden know. I think I might also have reported them to the club via their car registration number. Where folk are in the wrong like this we all need to play our part in seeing that action is taken.
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BM - JK, who is a warden, has confirmed that the only rule which can possibly be interpreted as having been relaxed is the one relating to departure times. And that's not a new relaxation, more a confirmation of what has always been the case. Hope that helps!
Write your comments here...Perhaps, but when the previosly mentioned Neil Wyndeatt tells a waden not to challenge a member excersisng two dogs that were off lead, I must trust they are elling me te truth and as i said previously, ihave no reason for doubt.
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BM - JK, who is a warden, has confirmed that the only rule which can possibly be interpreted as having been relaxed is the one relating to departure times. And that's not a new relaxation, more a confirmation of what has always been the case. Hope that helps!
Write your comments here...Perhaps, but when the previosly mentioned Neil Wyndeatt tells a waden not to challenge a member excersisng two dogs that were off lead, I must trust they are elling me te truth and as i said previously, ihave no reason for doubt.
Well, yes, I agree, if the wardens were told that, it was wrong; I wish you'd mentioned that specifically in your first post as it's a very useful example. I still think we need Neal Windeatt or some representative from HO to come on here and confirm/clarify
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Come to think of it, it's not so very long ago that some folk were comparing CC sites with prison camps and moaning about all the rules. So IF there's been any relaxation, maybe it's a sign that the club has listened to member's comments!
Write your comments here...That was what I was inferring with my original post. That the management were suggesting a move towards the"friendly c&cc that last years complaints were suggesting. My further point was that as the CC and C&CC had slightly different
approaches it would be best to maintain the difference to allow those that want a more liberated approach to use the C&CC whilst those liking a little more regimentation could choose the CC.Following my comments, I Had my jeans savaged by a little yorkie that was allowed to run around off lead, along with the owners two other little terriers. Not the only time the dog had been seen to show agression. The owner was not the slightest concerned
and told me it was non of my business that the dog should be on a lead. Just as well it was not a child's leg.the warden was informed but I do not know what action was taken.
Write your comments here...always carry a golf club to be used as walking stick, usefull to defend oneself against four legged agressors
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And, back on topic, I think even the most begrudging CC member would have to admit that wardens ( remember that's the subject of this thread) cannot be blamed for the design and layout of club sites.
I wonder if wardens do have input at the design stage? I seem to recall when the couple who were at Whitewater left to help set up Filey it was well before the site opened so presumably they were on the ground to help it get set up? Also wonder if they
are allowed to make changes - eg make a path where it needs to be, or plant bushes to block off an area if it is being used as a cut through?0 -
BM - JK, who is a warden, has confirmed that the only rule which can possibly be interpreted as having been relaxed is the one relating to departure times. And that's not a new relaxation, more a confirmation of what has always been the case. Hope that helps!
BTW, you have my sympathy as far as the dog situation is concerned and I'm glad you at least let the warden know. I think I might also have reported them to the club via their car registration number. Where folk are in the wrong like this we all need to
play our part in seeing that action is taken.Write your comments here...no harm done, but could be worse if allowed to continue.
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BM - JK, who is a warden, has confirmed that the only rule which can possibly be interpreted as having been relaxed is the one relating to departure times. And that's not a new relaxation, more a confirmation of what has always been the case. Hope that helps!
Write your comments here...Perhaps, but when the previosly mentioned Neil Wyndeatt tells a waden not to challenge a member excersisng two dogs that were off lead, I must trust they are elling me te truth and as i said previously, ihave no reason for doubt.
Well, yes, I agree, if the wardens were told that, it was wrong; I wish you'd mentioned that specifically in your first post as it's a very useful example.
I still think we need Neal Windeatt or some representative from HO to come on here and confirm/clarify exactly what has been said to wardens.I'd be very surprised if anyone from HO comes on here and put anything in writing about what has or has not been said/directed to site wardens.
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BM - JK, who is a warden, has confirmed that the only rule which can possibly be interpreted as having been relaxed is the one relating to departure times. And that's not a new relaxation, more a confirmation of what has always been the case.
Write your comments here... And what is the proof that JK is a warden. There is no Staff banner under his avatar. he could be a warden, an assistant warden or a site volunteer for all we know. He was politely asked what site he worked on but did not reply.
Giving him the benefit of the doubt, lets assume he is as he says, he would only know details regarding his own site and any communication from head office regarding that site. It is perfectly believable that other wardens on other sites have been instructed
by head office to ease up on rule breakers on their particular sites.Its time people realised that.wardens are human just like the rest of us, they are not Gods. There are excellent wardens, good wardens and not so good wardens. . It happens in all types of jobs be it plumbers ,bus drivers, teachers , electricians etc.
K
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Oh dear, even by your standards that is a rather cynical rsponse K. You were quick to congratulate, I think it was J&J, for their response as ex-wardens to an earlier post yet here, because it doesn't agree with your point of view you're challenging a fellow poster's integrity.Still, knowing how keen you are for honour to be restored I'm sure it won't be long before you issue the appropriate apology!
Thank goodness it's only a forum, not real life!
Now, from someone who cares, big breaths and ... relaxxxxx!
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its interesting that, when other folk have raised issues we have got responses that 'challenge a fellow posters integrity' by calling for 'substantiation' otherwise they are consigned to the 'whinging' category.....
however, i reckon i can vouch for JK.....we have 'met' in Spain.....
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
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Hi everyone,
Please can I remind everyone to be respectful and friendly.
You can refer to the guidelines here:
http://www.caravanclub.co.uk/community/community-guidelines/
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that wasn't swearing in latin you know?
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its interesting that, when other folk have raised issues we have got responses that 'challenge a fellow posters integrity' by calling for 'substantiation' otherwise they are consigned to the 'whinging' category.....
however, i reckon i can vouch for JK.....we have 'met' in Spain.....
Write your comments here...At last !! Thanks for that BB. Confirmation is welcome.
It's like if I was to come on here saying I was a mathematics teacher in charge of a maths dept in one of the schools in the UK and was an expert in all things to do with the subject of education.-------------------------------- It would not be long before at least 2 of the famous 5 gang asked, nay demanded proof. And quite rightly so.
Possibly because I said that Wardens were Human beings and not Gods has got one of the gang in a bit of a tizzy.---- Must have shattered a long held belief.
This thread is not about Wardens in general,who as I've said before, maintain their sites to a fairly high standard. --It is exploring why there is a general impression that some wardens have relaxed on-site rule enforcement and if this is due to instructions from above or due to individual wardens using their Wardens Discretion.------- We as a group with diverse opinions have gone some way to establish the facts, but are not quite there yet.
K
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who's the person in charge of a maths department? not me
So K you doubt one poster's view as it disagrees with your view but accept another who just so happens to agree with you. As I said before
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? - Who vouches for BB?0 -
BM - JK, who is a warden, has confirmed that the only rule which can possibly be interpreted as having been relaxed is the one relating to departure times. And that's not a new relaxation, more a confirmation of what has always been the case.
Write your comments here... And what is the proof that JK is a warden. There is no Staff banner under his avatar. he could be a warden, an assistant warden or a site volunteer for all we know. He was politely asked what site he worked on but did not reply.
Giving him the benefit of the doubt, lets assume he is as he says, he would only know details regarding his own site and any communication from head office regarding that site. It is perfectly believable that other wardens on other sites have been instructed by head office to ease up on rule breakers on their particular sites.
Its time people realised that.wardens are human just like the rest of us, they are not Gods. There are excellent wardens, good wardens and not so good wardens. . It happens in all types of jobs be it plumbers ,bus drivers, teachers , electricians etc.
K
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Well K, that's scraping the barrel a bit even for you, questioning my integrity on here is rather insulting.
Just for the record, I'm now in my seventh year working for the club and for the last four have been a warden. I've mentioned in another thread somewhere that some of us have other roles within the club as well. That has meant I've been to quite a number of sites this year, so that really qualifies me to talk how sites are run in general, not just my own. Next time I see Neil I'll ask him if any site specific directives have been sent out.
Oh, site wardens don't get to have "staff" logo, no idea why
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Excellent politician's answer, K!
Oh I think K has been made professor of Politics at Oxford
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BM - JK, who is a warden, has confirmed that the only rule which can possibly be interpreted as having been relaxed is the one relating to departure times. And that's not a new relaxation, more a confirmation of what has always been the case.
Write your comments here... And what is the proof that JK is a warden. There is no Staff banner under his avatar. he could be a warden, an assistant warden or a site volunteer for all we know. He was politely asked what site he worked on but did not reply.
Giving him the benefit of the doubt, lets assume he is as he says, he would only know details regarding his own site and any communication from head office regarding that site. It is perfectly believable that other wardens on other sites have been instructed by head office to ease up on rule breakers on their particular sites.
Its time people realised that.wardens are human just like the rest of us, they are not Gods. There are excellent wardens, good wardens and not so good wardens. . It happens in all types of jobs be it plumbers ,bus drivers, teachers , electricians etc.
K
Write your comments here...
Well K, that's scraping the barrel a bit even for you, questioning my integrity on here is rather insulting.
Just for the record, I'm now in my seventh year working for the club and for the last four have been a warden. I've mentioned in another thread somewhere that some of us have other roles within the club as well. That has meant I've been to quite a number of sites this year, so that really qualifies me to talk how sites are run in general, not just my own. Next time I see Neil I'll ask him if any site specific directives have been sent out.
Oh, site wardens don't get to have "staff" logo, no idea why
Write your comments here...Please refer to my post of this morning -.--- Your abilities as a warden was never in question. Not by me anyway. Many thanks for providing the clarification as to your job -- So what site are you a warden of at the moment ??? No need for an answer if you would rather keep it a secret.
K
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Good post, JK, and yes it would be good to hear from Neil Windeatt about any advice that he may have passed on orally to wardens - I think BM has now made clear that it was "word of mouth" rather than a"directive" sent out.
But, always remember, this is "just a forum", "it's not real life" so I guess you can take certain comments with as large a pinch of salt as you can manage!
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I have only looked into this thread now and again and may not have read every single post so forgive me if I am barking up the wrong tree here but here goes! It certainly can't be in a CC wardens job description that they are required to "mingle" with the guests (Club Members) as that is not sometime I have noticed in 35 years as a member. From a personal point of view its not something I particularly want either. As to strict enforcement of rules that would suggest that wardens were on the look out for every minor transgretion which would likely impact on the majority as much as it would the guilty? In my view if a member is constantly breaking the rules by always speeding etc then as members of the Club we should highlight that to the wardens who may not always be in a position to see every incident. Like the public at large wardens will have different degrees of tolerence. The more confident will be more relaxed because they feel they can justify their own approach. Those that are less confident/more harrised will be inclined to be stricter. Its the way life is.
David
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BM - JK, who is a warden, has confirmed that the only rule which can possibly be interpreted as having been relaxed is the one relating to departure times. And that's not a new relaxation, more a confirmation of what has always been the case.
Write your comments here... And what is the proof that JK is a warden. There is no Staff banner under his avatar. he could be a warden, an assistant warden or a site volunteer for all we know. He was politely asked what site he worked on but did not reply.
Giving him the benefit of the doubt, lets assume he is as he says, he would only know details regarding his own site and any communication from head office regarding that site. It is perfectly believable that other wardens on other sites have been instructed
by head office to ease up on rule breakers on their particular sites.Its time people realised that.wardens are human just like the rest of us, they are not Gods. There are excellent wardens, good wardens and not so good wardens. . It happens in all types of jobs be it plumbers ,bus drivers, teachers , electricians etc.
K
Write your comments here...
Well K, that's scraping the barrel a bit even for you, questioning my integrity on here is rather insulting.
Just for the record, I'm now in my seventh year working for the club and for the last four have been a warden. I've mentioned in another thread somewhere that some of us have other roles within the club as well. That has meant I've been to quite a number
of sites this year, so that really qualifies me to talk how sites are run in general, not just my own. Next time I see Neil I'll ask him if any site specific directives have been sent out.Oh, site wardens don't get to have "staff" logo, no idea why
Write your comments here...Please refer to my post Above.--- Your abilities as a warden was never in question.
K
correct, but you've questioned his integrity, which deserves an answer from you K on that point
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Excellent politician's answer, K!
Oh I think K has been made professor of Politics at Oxford
Actually, how do we even know he's a caravanner from West Lothian? For all we know he could be an HO agitator in disguise!!
(Just a bit of fun there, K, I know you like to keep things light hearted!
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BM - JK, who is a warden, has confirmed that the only rule which can possibly be interpreted as having been relaxed is the one relating to departure times. And that's not a new relaxation, more a confirmation of what has always been the case.
Write your comments here... And what is the proof that JK is a warden. There is no Staff banner under his avatar. he could be a warden, an assistant warden or a site volunteer for all we know. He was politely asked what site he worked on but did not reply.
Giving him the benefit of the doubt, lets assume he is as he says, he would only know details regarding his own site and any communication from head office regarding that site. It is perfectly believable that other wardens on other sites have been instructed
by head office to ease up on rule breakers on their particular sites.Its time people realised that.wardens are human just like the rest of us, they are not Gods. There are excellent wardens, good wardens and not so good wardens. . It happens in all types of jobs be it plumbers ,bus drivers, teachers , electricians etc.
K
Write your comments here...
Well K, that's scraping the barrel a bit even for you, questioning my integrity on here is rather insulting.
Just for the record, I'm now in my seventh year working for the club and for the last four have been a warden. I've mentioned in another thread somewhere that some of us have other roles within the club as well. That has meant I've been to quite a number
of sites this year, so that really qualifies me to talk how sites are run in general, not just my own. Next time I see Neil I'll ask him if any site specific directives have been sent out.Oh, site wardens don't get to have "staff" logo, no idea why
Write your comments here...Please refer to my post Above.--- Your abilities as a warden was never in question.
K
correct, but you've questioned his integrity, which deserves an answer from you K on that point
Write your comments here...
Ha, I won't hold my breath!!!!!
I'm off to do u bend patrol, see ya
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