Rule relating to water temperature at sites
Has anyone noticed that the "hot" water at site facilities is now nothing more than luke warm?
I have asked a number of Wardens the reason behind it, as I initially suspected a fault. However, I have been informed by a number of the staff that the new rule is hot water taps whould be regulated and if memory serves me correctly, I THINK he said 47
Degrees C. It is just not hot enough to clean dirty dishes, and I like HOT water to shave. I have started using the vans facilities more and more purely around the water temperature issue.
The showers remain excellent as usual, just the tap water temperature. Surely this cannot be an HSE issue??
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It is an HSE issue in for example the Health and Care sector but not to my knowledge a legal one in club sites. The club might quite reasonably be taking the view they need to recognise their "duty of care" and protect members from scalding risks. The figure for care establishments where the clients have access is 44C for things like showers and wash basins. It does though I agree not fit well with dish washing sinks on our sites. Probably they take the view a child for example could get scalded there and so it is an unacceptable risk? To control against legonella the storage and distribution though needs to be above 60 C, this present serious scalding risk; I see here with public access the CC face difficult decisions. I am not confident a sign that the water is very hot would be deemed adequate if a child or an impared ability adult got scalded.
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I find that the sinks often have scalding hot water, but the showers are fine, because they are mxer taps.
Don't know about the washing up sinks because I've never used one.
The OP does state 'new' rule! We therefore, thankfully for the young and impaired adults amongst us, may only now be experiencing taps that do not deliver 'scaling' hot water!
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We have just returned from the Malvern Hills site and found the water for washing up more than hot enough. For hand washing in the toilet blocks I usually find the water far too hot for comfort, in fact even for safety, and would prefer to see mixer taps
rather than saparate hot and cold taps. Tend to use our own facilities for showers.David
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Yes agree the sinks are very hot (they do have a caution sticker) but the showers are hot enough, my gripe is the sometimes low pressure on some sites
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I won't fit
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The answer is to use your own facility's ,then you can have the water as hot as you want However, a trip to the platewash is more than a place to do dishes for me. If it was merely about getting the dishes cleaned I would just throw them in the motorhomes dishwasher and I can assure it gets really hot! I like the social aspect and have had some
really good interesting conversations whilst we all wash our dishes and picked up a lot of information from people about things they have seen and down whilst on a specific site.0 -
The answer is to use your own facility's ,then you can have the water as hot as you want
However, a trip to the platewash is more than a place to do dishes for me. If it was merely about getting the dishes cleaned I would just throw them in the motorhomes dishwasher and I can assure it gets really hot! I like the social aspect and have had some
really good interesting conversations whilst we all wash our dishes and picked up a lot of information from people about things they have seen and down whilst on a specific site.do motorhomes have dishwasher?s ie an electrical item or are you talking about the unpaid helper?
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The answer is to use your own facility's ,then you can have the water as hot as you want
However, a trip to the platewash is more than a place to do dishes for me. If it was merely about getting the dishes cleaned I would just throw them in the motorhomes dishwasher and I can assure it gets really hot! I like the social aspect and have had some really good interesting conversations whilst we all wash our dishes and picked up a lot of information from people about things they have seen and down whilst on a specific site.
do motorhomes have dishwasher?s ie an electrical item or are you talking about the unpaid helper?
Yes, we have a 4 place dishwasher, which is electric and can also be run off the inverter system through the batteries if not on hook up, but never tried it, it would be a drain on the batteries, it is plummed in such a way that it takes the water from the hot water system in an attempt to reduce power in the heating process. If installed at home I believe they take a cold water supply and heat it via electric elements. It works very well, but I prefer when on sites to go to the platewash and have a good natter.
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Always wash the dishes in the caravan, cant be doing with dragging dishes about, as long as you remove any greasy disgustingness with a paper towel first, no problems
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Always wash the dishes in the caravan, cant be doing with dragging dishes about, as long as you remove any greasy disgustingness with a paper towel first, no problems
Same here,
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Ditto - unless I feel the need to have a good splash around in the big sinks with greasy pans.
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The answer is to use your own facility's ,then you can have the water as hot as you want
However, a trip to the platewash is more than a place to do dishes for me. If it was merely about getting the dishes cleaned I would just throw them in the motorhomes dishwasher and I can assure it gets really hot! I like the social aspect and have had some
really good interesting conversations whilst we all wash our dishes and picked up a lot of information from people about things they have seen and down whilst on a specific site.do motorhomes have dishwasher?s ie an electrical item or are you talking about the unpaid helper?
Yes, we have a 4 place dishwasher, which is electric and can also be run off the inverter system through the batteries if not on hook up, but never tried it, it would be a drain on the batteries, it is plummed in such a way that it takes the water from the
hot water system in an attempt to reduce power in the heating process. If installed at home I believe they take a cold water supply and heat it via electric elements. It works very well, but I prefer when on sites to go to the platewash and have a good natter.wow, thanks for the reply, I never knew they existed.
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Are we now going to see the beware of hot water signs replaced by beware of Legionella? Mind you if they get it in the system it is nearly impossible to get rid of and anyone getting infected would have a strong legal case.
There will be no risk as I dont think the Club have reduced the temperature of the heated water. The showers are still the same temperature. The sinks are regulated by a mixer under each sink which controls the temperature of the hot tap mixing cold to provide
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I can assure you every month all mixer, cold and hot water temperatures are tested and recorded by the wardens. There are temperature readings for all outlets to be met. Annually an external company inspects the water systems for legionella and after a
through testing process then signs the site off......0 -
I can assure you every month all mixer, cold and hot water temperatures are tested and recorded by the wardens. There are temperature readings for all outlets to be met. Annually an external company inspects the water systems for legionella and after a through testing process then signs the site off......
You seem very well informed Mark. Can you say to what temperature the showers are regulated and if that has been reduced in the last few years? I have certainly noticed a reduction in water pressure, which I hate with a passion.
The water system in general is fed directly from the meter upto to storage tanks in the attic space these then gravity feed into the boilers/heaters. Most sites water pumps to feed the hot water outlets. As the pumps are sealed there is no access or authority to adjust them. Generally, the cold has to be below 20'c, hot 60'c. All boilers have temp gauges on the side which are monitored daily.. Hope that helps. Some showers have a filter inserted in the showerhead, members sometimes push this up which stops the water flow all it needs is to be pushed up to release it and the pressure does return. One more point when the sites are full and being used (ie the morning) then is a 1/2" mains feed to the site and sometimes it cannot keep up with the usage. This is a very rare occurance but it can happen on some sites.
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The Hot water should be "Very Hot" it's no use otherwise.
Only a numptie would ignore the "Beware Hot Water" sign. If they scald themselves, it's their own fault.
K
Not a very pleasant term to use for our impaired ability, visually impaired, limited mobility or very young members amongst us who could be scalded. Rather than suggesting it would be their fault the responsibility should be to protect them! Afterall, that's what it's all about!
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