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just booked 4 nights at Beechwood 2 adults and 2 children . Price is £134 compare to the same period last year it is a £10 increase or 8%. Is it fair that the 8% increase is so high when inflation is around 2 %. It is not often you can get the family away
as most weekends are pre booked. I think an 8% increase is too high.
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There have been several threads on this subject. Some of the differences between this and the same period last year can be explained by differences in the length of peak season. However, the main factor is the need to pay the new living wage to all CC employees.
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And the NLW is impacting all over ,the c&cc according their website are cutting the hours for arrivals which looks as if staff hours are being cut? it has been on the news where B&Q and some other stores are cutting staff "perks",the hotel we were in last
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The problem is that the inflation rate is not what the club has to look at. The costs of running a site can vary from this and sometimes will be higher and on others lower. In this case the living wage might be the problem, but other costs might have risen
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unless you count the time over and above their contracted hours they put in
Just like many many jobs where a lot of hours over and above contract is seen as the norm this is something the wardens would be aware of when they took on the job.
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The op reported an increase of £2.50 per night, which is not unusual for CC site increases this year.
Let's assume there are just 20 units on site at any one time, thats £50 per night in increases, or £350 per week.
The increase in minimum wage is £0.50 per hour. Assuming a 40 hour week and 4 wardens, that's £80 per week additional overheads (plus a bit of NI)......so the increase in minimum wage accounts for less than a quarter of the site fee increase. And don't forget,
that assumes only 20 units on this fairly large site.Any employer that says they are struggling to pay a wage that is only starting to approach a living wage, and expects tax payers to subsidise them by paying tax credits is pretty despicable, in my view.
Trying to blame these levels of pay for inflation busting price increases is beyond despicable.
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well if that was the case I wouldn't go to their sites
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I wonder if it's because of the age. Are a lot oh the Haven employees under 25 and therefor the living wage does not apply. Never been to haven so don't know
...They are nearly all youngsters, and a lot are on split shifts with zero hours contracts
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I wonder if it's because of the age. Are a lot oh the Haven employees under 25 and therefor the living wage does not apply. Never been to haven so don't know
...They are nearly all youngsters, and a lot are on split shifts with zero hours contracts
Write your comments here...I guess that's hoe they afford it then
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Assistant wardens in the 'other club' were on the minimum wage, before NLW. A friend works for the club but only on sites in the UK between March and October, the rest of the time he's in his 5th wheeler touring the warmer climes on the continent, Spain, Portugal, Southern France etc, with his wife. No idea what the CC pay.
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the groundstaff and our 'touring warden' certainly arent youngsters...
as Ian says....the increase in site fees cover the additional expense of the NLW many times over....
i guessed JVB would have an answer for why the CC is so heavily impacted yet the rest of the holiday industry seems to 'gets away unscathed'....(my words, not a quote.....)
..."rest of the holiday industry?"and of course in your usual inimitable way have evidence of this
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the groundstaff and our 'touring warden' certainly arent youngsters...
as Ian says....the increase in site fees cover the additional expense of the NLW many times over....
i guessed JVB would have an answer for why the CC is so heavily impacted yet the rest of the holiday industry seems to 'gets away unscathed'....(my words, not a quote.....)
..."rest of the holiday industry?"and of course in your usual inimitable way have evidence of this
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the groundstaff and our 'touring warden' certainly arent youngsters...
as Ian says....the increase in site fees cover the additional expense of the NLW many times over....
i guessed JVB would have an answer for why the CC is so heavily impacted yet the rest of the holiday industry seems to 'gets away unscathed'....(my words, not a quote.....)
Caravan club for profits and not members........
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I guess becoming a warden is a life style choice, they must love caravanning and are mostly of an age where the money is not the primary focus, certainly nowadays for me it's not about money, it's more of do I enjoy the job I do, if I don't I do something
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Many companies lose control of the empire building in their Head Offices. This huge waste of money on surplus staff members can impact in the prices they have to charge their customers for their goods and services.
What all companies need to do is to rationalise their h/o.staff so freeing off finance to invest in their front line business.
K
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I wonder if it's because of the age. Are a lot oh the Haven employees under 25 and therefor the living wage does not apply. Never been to haven so don't know
...They are nearly all youngsters, and a lot are on split shifts with zero hours contracts
"nearly all youngsters"? ........and of course in your usual inimitable way have evidence of this
..Yep
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the groundstaff and our 'touring warden' certainly arent youngsters...
as Ian says....the increase in site fees cover the additional expense of the NLW many times over....
i guessed JVB would have an answer for why the CC is so heavily impacted yet the rest of the holiday industry seems to 'gets away unscathed'....(my words, not a quote.....)
..."rest of the holiday industry?"and of course in your usual inimitable way have evidence of this
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as you asked.....
whenever someone comes up with a comparison on price with CC, it matters not whether the site is a commercial in the uk or a site in europe...the answer is always the same......the cc has xxxx cost or yyyyy cost that all other sites offered up as comparisons dont seem to have....hence my point about the rest of the industry...
it matters not which part of the industry is quoted in comparison, 'it' doesnt seem to be viewed on an equal footing as cc ...we get the usual 'excuses' like ...
.....the others are 'family businesses so noone takes any wages...
....the others only employ people on zero hours contracts so they dont have the same costs....
....the others offer loss leaders paid for by expensive peak prices....
etc, etc, etc,.....
So, in the scheme of CT....these are the rest of the holiday industry....ie any mentioned in price comaprisons for which JVB has a reason why we shouldnt compare against them.....
why doesnt he ever mention the economies of scale that should see the cc getting goods/services at far better prices than competitors.....
or the vast amount of membership suns taken each year which aids cash flow that others cant fall back on.....
or the other income streams the club has to help ot li,e insurances and ferries.....
or....
or....
...If you think I cannot back up any of the comments,I can, which as far as your responses are it seems, by the very way they are worded ,just clutching at straws,
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I wonder if it's because of the age. Are a lot oh the Haven employees under 25 and therefor the living wage does not apply. Never been to haven so don't know
Write your comments here...Thought it still applies to unders 25 just a lower rate.
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I wonder if it's because of the age. Are a lot oh the Haven employees under 25 and therefor the living wage does not apply. Never been to haven so don't know
Write your comments here...Most of them are in jobs where they are making more money for Haven so the cost goes on these extras not the fees.
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I have not read every thread on here but here is my 2p worth.
Caravan club in general only sells pitches, commercial sites e.g.Haven have lots of other income streams on sites, bars, restauraunts, amusements, paid for sports etc. etc. so they can supplemnt a lower pitch fee with income from these other activities,
the low fee is there to get you in the door like say 2 for 1 meals in a pub, they make money on the deserts and drinks you buy!.Did a quick comparison for a 2 night stay at Haven Devon Cliffs for 25th June for 2 nights and it is £84. Sam stay at Hillhead as it is more a holiday type site and its £48!
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