Broadway - Part 2
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Purely a question on all this at Broadway, is the Club and its sites being subjected to Land Speculaters? Anybody can apply for planning permission on any other persons land without the owners conset or the owner even knowing about it. Once outline permission
is granted then the land is worth much much more and the speculater can now go to the owner and offer so much money for the land that the owners can not refuse, now the speculater has a huge asset to sell or build on. Boroadway is a lovely site and in such
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No it's a representation to seek allocation of the site for housing made on behalf of the Caravan Club by its agent. It's not an application for planning permission.
Anyone can apply for planning permission on any land but notice MUST be served on the owners and/or tenants of the land.
There is a lot of misinformation about the planning system in this thread, not helped by the statement from Nick Lomas which is riddled with errors
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Purely a question on all this at Broadway, is the Club and its sites being subjected to Land Speculaters? Anybody can apply for planning permission on any other persons land without the owners conset or the owner even knowing about it. Once outline permission
is granted then the land is worth much much more and the speculater can now go to the owner and offer so much money for the land that the owners can not refuse, now the speculater has a huge asset to sell or build on. Boroadway is a lovely site and in such
a lucritive spot, this could explain why the 'people at the top' did not know about the application.Write your comments here...It is quite possible that land /building speculators could have already approached the owners, in this case the CC, so we obviously don't know the full details.
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Purely a question on all this at Broadway, is the Club and its sites being subjected to Land Speculaters? Anybody can apply for planning permission on any other persons land without the owners conset or the owner even knowing about it. Once outline permission
is granted then the land is worth much much more and the speculater can now go to the owner and offer so much money for the land that the owners can not refuse, now the speculater has a huge asset to sell or build on. Boroadway is a lovely site and in such
a lucritive spot, this could explain why the 'people at the top' did not know about the application.Write your comments here...It is quite possible that land /building speculators could have already approached the owners, in this case the CC, so we obviously don't know the full details.
They may have done but it is the CC via their agents that has made the representation.
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Quite frankly I find it appalling that the person responsible for Sites found out about this "problem" by reading this forum! If this is the case then HO need to take a good look at themselves in the mirror and ask who the heck is taking responsibility up there. Who is overseeing these things?
As I said in an earlier post WN this smacks of poor policy, process and proceedure. It also highlights senior management incompetence. No doubt they will blame some poor hard working minion in the organisation.
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Same level of oversight of the IT department as well.
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There seems to be rather a lot going on beneath member radar at the moment, and it is only through a fortunately vigilant member, The OP, coming across this amongst his local development plans, that this issue has come to light. The sterling work done by
a few, JayEss in particular, has meant that this has become something other than an item buried amongst thousands of other threads. As a paying member, I find not being made aware via some high profile news item rather disturbing, as items like this affect
all members, their families, and indeed the whole future of the CC. Like one or two others, it is starting to make me question just what is going on in terms of the future of the CC, and whether or not staying a member will give me the same values I expect
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All credit to the poster of the original (now closed) thread for finding this but I don't deserve a name check TDA. Wherenext and Boff have been putting the pressure on for answers. All I have done is try to help members understand the planning system
a little and have made a few phone calls to relevant planning authorities.There are things in Nick Lomas' statement that concern me greatly - how many sites comprise a handful not the least - and the matter has certainly not closed from my point of view.
If no guarantee that appropriate representations to correct the position is forthcoming then I will make sure the Inspectors are aware of the correct situation by linking to this thread.
My continued membership of the CC is on a knife edge. I understand that we the members do not have an entitlement to full details of management but I have re-read the minutes of the AGM and not once was this review of landholdings mentioned. I cannot support
an organisation that misleads the planning system for financial gain. In my view the blame lies entirely with the CC for not checking the documents thoroughly prior to submission.Local Authorities are just doing what they have done since planning came into being. They are preparing the development plan framework for the area as they have always done.
Nick Lomas says
From time to time this will naturally have implications for Club Sites and so it will not be unusual to see them mentioned in planning reappraisals.
It will only have implications for Club Sites if the Club choose to put them forward. The only planning reappraisal is that which the Club is carrying out to try to reallocate sites for other uses.
I don't think there's much more I can say on this matter. I'll happily translate 'planning speak' and I'll correct any misunderstandings but I think I'll be better served working in the background to ensure that the planning departments concerned are left
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Local authorites are taking part in draft development proposals to provide informatiion about housing and infrastructure plans for now and future use. Although reclassifying land values is important the CC will have to make up it's mind whether it's in the leisure and tourist industry or not and whether it represents the true interests of the members.
Have posts gone missing? I appear to be replying to a missing post?
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Local authorites are taking part in draft development proposals to provide informatiion about housing and infrastructure plans for now and future use. Although reclassifying land values is important the CC will have to make up it's mind
whether it's in the leisure and tourist industry or not and whether it represents the true interests of the members.Have posts gone missing? I appear to be replying to a missing post?
No they are preparing local development frameworks, spatial planning strategies which replaced the more familiar Structure and Local Plans.
They do provide information but more importantly they direct development for the plan period.
I agree that the CC needs to decide whether it's representing the views of members and whether it is in the leisure and tourism sector or not
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FAO the Executive Member regarding sites in the hope that you are still reading CT
No 'letter of correction' has been received with regard to Cadeside so as the Examination in Public starts very soon can I ask that if it is intended to retain Cadeside within the site network a copy is sent as soon as possible to the Programme Officer at
Taunton Deane.Thank you
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Boff and wherenext and others, my apologies for not name checking you as well as Jay. You are doing some sterling work following this issue and keeping it high profile on behalf of the membership. I am sure that there are a lot of us out there who have respected
this Club down the decades, and what it has represented to us, and the enjoyment it has brought us and our friends and families. From bitter experience I know that once the cloak and dagger hidden agendas, private meetings etc..... start, then things can quickly
spiral to a negative conclusion, to the detriment of those that really matter, the users/members of a service. I hope I am wrong.0 -
Boff and wherenext and others, my apologies for not name checking you as well as Jay. You are doing some sterling work following this issue and keeping it high profile on behalf of the membership. I am sure that there are a lot of us out there who have respected
this Club down the decades, and what it has represented to us, and the enjoyment it has brought us and our friends and families. From bitter experience I know that once the cloak and dagger hidden agendas, private meetings etc..... start, then things can quickly
spiral to a negative conclusion, to the detriment of those that really matter, the users/members of a service. I hope I am wrong.Write your comments here...ttda, it matters not one iota to me but thanks anyway. I must say that I am thoroughly disgusted with the way this has been handled by the club. My letter was addressed to the said Mr.Lefley. I got one of his minions who even confused
me with Mr.Lefley! The phone call I received was from another member of staff who obfuscated throughout the call.I wouldn't mind but I've never even stayed at Broadway but that's immaterial. I'm glad JayEss has some experience in this and her explaining matters has helped.
Don't worry though you didn't upset me.
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Thanks to everyone who has brought our attention to this issue and kept us up to date with information and explanations. A disgraceful chain of events at CC seems to be emerging with unsatisfactory answers forthcoming.
Well done those of you who have uncovered this sad state of affairs and shame on CC for allowing it to happen.
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This may be appropriate:-
In the Beginning was the plan.
And then came the assumptions.
And the assumptions were without form.
And the plan was completely without substance.
And the darkness was upon the face of the workers.
And they spoke among themselves saying:
“It is a crock of shit, and it stinketh.”And the workers went unto their supervisors, and sayeth:
“It is a pail of dung, and none can abide the odor thereof.”And the supervisors went unto their managers and sayeth unto them,
“It is a container of excrement, and it is very strong, such that none can abide it.”And the managers went unto the directors and sayeth,
“It is a vessel of fertilizer, and none can abide its strength.”And the directors spoke amongst themselves, saying one to another:
“It contains that which aids plant growth, and is very strong.”And the directors went unto the vice presidents and sayeth to them,
“It promotes growth, and is very powerful.”And the vice presidents went unto the president, and sayeth unto him,
“This new plan will actively promote growth and efficiency of this company, and certain areas in particular.”And the president looked upon the plan, and saw that it was good.
And the board said that this will greatly improve our bonus and share options. And thus it was implemented. And darkness came on the face of the earth.
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CY, I doff my cap to you. It is a parable for most work places, local councils, service providers, etc... today. The air can be very thin up on ivory towers, and those that dwell there sometimes forget that people quietly going about their everyday actions
are neither blind, deaf or dumb!
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FAO the Executive Member regarding sites in the hope that you are still reading CT
No 'letter of correction' has been received with regard to Cadeside so as the Examination in Public starts very soon can I ask that if it is intended to retain Cadeside within the site network a copy is sent as soon as possible to the Programme Officer at
Taunton Deane.Thank you
The same applies to Minehead.
If there is an intention to retain the Minehead site on the network then please can the letter correcting the position be sent to the Programme Officer at West Somerset.
If no correction letter is sent then we as members must assume that it is the Club's intention to redevelop these sites
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FAO the Executive Member regarding sites in the hope that you are still reading CT
No 'letter of correction' has been received with regard to Cadeside so as the Examination in Public starts very soon can I ask that if it is intended to retain Cadeside within the site network a copy is sent as soon as possible to the Programme Officer at
Taunton Deane.Thank you
The same applies to Minehead.
If there is an intention to retain the Minehead site on the network then please can the letter correcting the position be sent to the Programme Officer at West Somerset.
If no correction letter is sent then we as members must assume that it is the Club's intention to redevelop these sites
Just bumping this, as the CC appear to have missed it, not having replied........
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Still waiting for someone to have the good manners to say why the original Broadway thread was closed......
I did wonder at that Ian, could not see any reason for it..
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Maybe they, whoever they were, thought that CT members would just forget about it!!
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I suspect it was closed to avoid having two discussions on the same subject. The original discussion is still available but as read only. Had the original post in this discussion been posted in the original thread I see no reason why it would not have remained open. I have added a link in the original thread pointing to here.
David
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West Somerset's Examination in Public starts tomorrow - 14th March.
Not much time to correct the position regarding Minehead
Of course anyone is able to put their views forward so if members do have strong views about this then I'd urge you to contact the programme officer to ask the best way to do it.
ProgrammeOfficer@westsomerset.gov.uk
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In answer to the question, the letters of correction in regard to Cadeside and Minehead were sent on 24 February and the letter in regard to Broadway on 11 February.
Again we would reiterate it is key to note that the closure of these sites is not under consideration.
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Sorry Rowena but by the posts that you have been been "advised" to make are by the sounds of it proof that Someone in EGH has started to panic ,after the first post brought it to the attention of the members via CT as both letters of correction have been sent after the event ,too late it seems, and I think ,no detriment to you as the messenger,it must be about time someone came clean about what is happening and put all the members ,not just on CT ,minds at rest before the CT posters who know their way round dig up anymore?
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