Swift Caravans, in the dolddrums
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But @nelliethehooker I was simply correcting @peedee error about there being spaces at Melrose when clearly there are not, surely you would want accuracy?
And as I said other BHs were exactly the same and I wasn't looking at SP for those other sites which show very good/full occupancy. Many of those had lows (less than five pitches) . The first two weeks of the school summer holiday were showed very good pitch use if you noticed?
and is certainly not the norm for all pitch types for the weekends either side of it.
I think if you look at Melrose (I assume you're referring to that) for weekends those in September are all taken up on all pitch types up to the third week? I don't understand how you can see what the occupancy of the weekend just gone - as in weekends either side of it?
The weeknd straight after the BH does have space but this weekend has in my experience it has always been like that. Schools start on the Monday and the older retired campers usually will wait for the first of September when schools are safely back.
Actually I've just noticed that the site is full both Friday and Saturday now, on all pitch types. That's good
And no you're incorrect about SP on each site being a few. Some sites have none of course but SP are now not the small relative few as you put it. They once were, and it's quite understandable though that you should think that perhaps due to your very limited use of club sites as you yourself state, but they are growing in numbers.
Melrose that you have picked on has only 10 but that is actually 20% of the site, which is the lowest number I've seen, while Troutbeck had has 40 service pitches out of 140+ pitches which is about 28%. Last week SP were running at at least 80% even midweek, although one night they were all taken, again in midweek.
Every refurbishment/expansion brings in more of these SP, while basic sites have to close due to lack of use.
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@Cornersteady I was looking at the whole picture as far club sites were concerned, which I took from you screen shot, and even many of the most popular sites such a Chatsworth were only full for that weekend but had full vacancies in the following weekends.
I readily acknowledge that we only use the occasional club site but reading reports on here and other forums, and from talking to fellow club members, it is plain that many of the club's sites have been nowhere near full this year.
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@nelliethehooker I'm sorry but I can only reply to what you write.
…August bank holiday one, on a limited type of pitch, (serviced ones of which there are only a relative few on each site) and is certainly not the norm for all pitch types for the weekends either side of it.
So I naturally assumed you were talking about Melrose. Also my screen shots only showed all pitch types not just SP so I'm not sure what limited type of pitch you're referring to
…which I took from you screen shot, and even many of the most popular sites such a Chatsworth were only full for that weekend but had full vacancies in the following weekends.
I can't understand that at all NTF as my screenshots do not give details about any following weekends at all, they run out on Thursday? Also you did write either side of it, not following? In fact Chatsworth is low the following Thursday according to my screen shot.
…such a Chatsworth were only full for that weekend but had full vacancies in the following weekends.
I'm not sure what a full vacancy is but that's not quite correct is it? I've just checked and Chatsworth is full for the following five weekends for HS pitches with awnings, for SP and super SP. Yes there are spaces on non awning and that will tell the club something.
So even if all non awning pitches are empty, which is very unlikely, the site is 75% full for all weekends till October, in fact, just looked in October there is only one weekend free, again unless you want to take a non awning pitch. 75% (minimum, probably about 80%+) full on all weekends bar one till November is pretty good to me?
I've said before you cannot take this forum or any other forum as being a representative sample, it's just mathematically unsound. And I assume you talk to fellow members at CLs, must do if you don't use club sites, so again not a representative sample of those that use club sites?
But apart from that no one, not even me, has ever said that club sites are full all the time in any year as you appear to state?
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@peedee I'm not sure what all that shows or why you posted it? Apart from confirming what I had already posted so thank you I suppose?
You posted Melrose has vacancies on all pitches over the Bank holiday as have many other Club sites.
I posted this is not the case as Friday and Saturday is full. Now I view the over the bank holiday as including these, you don't? Fair enough.
But I think you're splitting hairs there with respect as most people in my experience go away for the weekend starting on Friday. I've never know people just booking the BH Monday, and also what do you book for the Monday? Sunday night or Monday? From many years of booking that BH weekend on actual different club sites there has always mainly been pitches on the Sunday night, and definitely pitches on the Monday night as people go back to work on the Tuesday.
Well it doesn't matter as I'm viewing those screenshots as showing a very good picture over the BH weekend on a great number of sites. It looks as easily far over half the club's sites, perhaps two thirds or above are full or lows over the BH weekend.
Thanks for confirming my earlier posts though with your screen shots, always good to get confirmation.
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@peedee thanks for letting me know. But relegated from what front page?
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Personally I think folks views of occupancy are still clouded by the post covid high figures, which have now dropped back to pre covid levels. We didn’t venture abroad for two years and some waited three, preferring to spend time touring in their own country instead. Bookings now require a deposit, OK it’s only £5, however I believe it does have an affect. Therefore where in the past you would have seen full, now it will show booking available, but resulting in little difference in the final occupancy figure. It certainly doesn’t seem to be a function of price. We just spent a week with the granddaughter split between Castleton and Chatsworth and although there were spaces on standard pitches midweek the service pitch occupancy rate was +90%.
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@peedee and others
Further to our posts. I just did a rough quick calculation on late availability for tonight.
Excluding Scotland and Devon and Cornwall, there are 89 sites out of 103 full with many lows. That's very good in my view and higher than previous BHs over the years (I have data for past two).
As for Scotland it's 8 out of 20 sites full (including Melrose as I know you have an interest in that site PD) and Devon and Cornwall it's 3 out of 15.
Disclaimer - yes just a snapshot but showing a good improving picture when compared to previous BHs.
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