ULEZ
Is it really cost effective now to visit one of the four sites that are within in the new ULEZ, lots of members have older cars that have passed there MOT but will have to pay the £12,50 a day. So will it be really worth it to visit these sites.
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Only those affected can decide.
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Our van is 2015 so 8 years old. It is euro 5 so chargeable for all the low emission zones.. As it has only done 36k miles and new ones are now around £80k we will not be replacing it nor will we be going anywhere near any of the chargeable cities. Not by design at least..
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I can't make head nor tail of the system. My van is a euro 5, I think; first registered 04/11/2015. I have input the reg. number several times and it always comes up as compliant - no charge. Not that I have any plans to camp in the zone and definitely not on a CAMC site 🙄.
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It might depend on whether you are prepared to use public transport during your stay rather than your car? If you want to use your car everyday then yes it would add an extra £100.00 to the cost of your a weeks stay stay but if it was only the inward and outward journeys it would only be an extra £25. Only you can judge the value of that. The alternative is to stay outside the zone and travel in. Even from MK its only a 30 minute journey to Euston, probably similar from Welwyn? Only time will tell whether the sites you mention survive, we already know that Crystal Palace is under threat of redevelopment by the local council. Also on the horizon is the change to EV's and how that might impact our hobby?
David
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Found this....
Is my vehicle Euro 6 compliant?
You can check your vehicle for Euro 6 compliance in relation to ULEZ with Motorway’s ULEZ checker.If your vehicle was made after September 2015, there’s a good chance it’s Euro 6 compliant and therefore able to drive in London’s ULEZ for free.
You may also find this information in your registration details or, you can simply check your reg with our ULEZ check tool which will show whether it’s Euro 6 compliant.
If your car is ULEZ compliant then it will automatically mean it’s Euro 6 compliant too (excluding exemptions).
my own van, built in 2016, reg 6/1/2017 is also ok.
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I checked my March 2016 registered van some months ago and it came up compliant. With the expansion of the zone being imminent, I checked it again about ten days ago and it is now non-compliant.
"We want to stop these vehicles killing people" but for £12.50 a day you can have a 007 licence to kill.
Why has my van now become non-compliant? Do I trust this lot - not an inch.
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From MMM...22/06/2016
Fiat launches Euro VI engines for DucatoThe base vehicle used in the majority of European motorhome conversions, the Fiat Ducato, has been upgraded with the introduction of a range of Euro VI engines. The engines all use Low Pressure Exhaust Gas Recirculation system (LPEGR) to lower NOx emissions without, says Fiat, the complexity, added weight and additional costs associated with using emission additives like AdBlue.
Other base vehicle manufacturers like Mercedes-Benz and Peugeot use the AdBlue solution to achieve Euro VI compliance. AdBlue is an additive that users have to purchase and fill into a small (typically a 15 to 20-litre tank) which will last about 6,000 miles between refills.
CY, mine still says compliant on TFL site...👍
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I looked a bit deeper and got confused by the LEZ and the ULEZ which seem to cover the same area but refer to different (and separate) ways of 'charging'...
apparently (and I may be completely wrong on this) the LEZ is aimed at heavier vehicles and it may be that MH over 3.5t (and some lorries and busses) are affected...perhaps to the tune of £100/£200 per day?
the ULEZ seems to be purely emissions based (rather than type of vehicle based) and there is a checker for this...
it may be that CY and LLM vans are ULEZ (emissions) compliant but not LEZ compliant as they are over 3.5t?
I didn't even realise the two schemes covered the same area🤷🏻♂️
https://ulez.co.uk/whats-the-difference-between-ulez-and-lez/
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I would wonder why it has changed from compliant to non compliant as well! Are you going to ask them and let us know? Do I trust them? Well after receiving a penalty notice for non payment of vehicle tax when I had already received an e-mail telling me that my vehicle was taxed, I don't trust any of "that lot", either! I did receive a letter of apology telling me that it was due to "human error", which perhaps gives us a clue as to the standard of personnel, employed by the DVLA and other Government agencies these days!
My M/H is 20 years old so I would guess that it is definitely non compliant, but it would not surprise me if my guess is more accurate than their system is!
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I'm more confused than ever 😕. I checked my van again and I would have to pay the congestion charge in central London, wherever that is. but it still shows compliant for ULEZ.
On a slightly different tack how does one get a replacement V5C? The one for the van looks as if it's dried after it had a swim with great whites and got a bit nibbled.
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Whilst there is some logic in that suggestion the problem is that it immediately disenfranchises those with non compliant vehicles. At least by making a charge you have a sort of choice? There has been a lot of concentration on the London scheme of late but similar things are happening all around the country. I am sure the same arguments we are witnessing now about the expansion of ULEZ in London happened when they expanded it initially to the North and South Circular roads. People seem to have got over that and I am sure we will learn to live with it?
David
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I posted about this on another thread earlier this year.......
Not a MH, but our daughter owns an old Volvo V40, registered 09/2002, and works just inside the new Glasgow LEZ, we and she were pretty sure she could not drive it in the zone. However the numberplate checker says she is fine, we checked all the zones in UK, including the London ULEZ , she is apparently fine for all of them.
She even sent a query to the Glasgow scheme to query the result and was assured she was OK. She has kept a copy of their reply.
Yesterday she had to go to her office, where she gets a parking space, so took her car. Now waiting to see whether she gets a fine.
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That begs the question "why should we have to learn to live with it?". Especially with something that seems to based on very inaccurate evidence spun to make it look as if it is doing some good. I much prefer the French and German systems that actually do improve the air quality and help protect their populations without robbing them blind.
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The charge is an incentive to change the vehicle to a ULEZ compliant vehicle ,not a charge to stop vehicles entering the zone
ULEZ is about clean air, and the health of those that are sensitive to poor air quality1 -
An interesting comment on West Midlands TV this morning that a research team (Birmingham University I think) had found that the reduction in pollution by the scheme in Birmingham was only about 50% of what it was claimed it would be.
Why does the ULEZ charge have to be £12.50 per day? Wouldn't it have been a more sensible idea to start at a much lower figure, say £5.00 and then increase it steadily over a few years especially in the current economic climate where it is the worst off that will be hit the hardest. These are the people that can't afford to change their car no matter how much they may want to and public transport is not always the answer to travel.
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On the question of whether ULEZ zones achieve their original goals in terms of pollution reductions, there will always be arguments trying to say they don't, usually from those that don't like these schemes. I would reckon that a 50% reduction in projected pollution levels is still a big win?
The question about charging is valid. The Germans for years have had the Umwelt scheme which requires you to display a sticker in the windscreen (same size as the old tax disc) with the pollution level of the vehicle indicated by a colour, red, yellow and green. They are more generous than UK designation as green goes back to Euro 4. However individual cities, as I understand it, perhaps Lutz can confirm, can decide on stricter criteria, only allowing more modern vehicles into their green zones. BTW the sticker costs about €6 and is valid for the lifetime of the vehicle. Which brings us neatly to the question charging. Had the ULEZ been set at a slightly lower level, say Euro 5, there would have been hardly any vehicles that would need to pay the charge and I am sure we wouldn't be discussing it now? It is said that the revenues raised by the scheme will go to improving public transport which is an important and well worthwhile aim. The problem in this country is that the Government is not prepared to finance that investment so funding has to come from the fees raised by older vehicles using the zones. The double benefit is that the more people that switch to public transport there is even less pollution created. I appreciate that is not how everyone sees it.
David
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Why does the ULEZ charge have to be £12.50 per day? Wouldn't it have been a more sensible idea to start at a much lower figure, say £5.00 and then increase it steadily over a few years especially in the current economic climate where it is the worst off that will be hit the hardest.
I think you will find the £12.50 is a starting point and it will rise steadily to ayour round £20 - £25.
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On the question of whether ULEZ zones achieve their original goals in terms of pollution reductions, there will always be arguments trying to say they don't, usually from those that don't like these schemes. I would reckon that a 50% reduction in projected pollution levels is still a big win?
I think research carried out by a university is probably unbiased in the main. If it is not to try to convince the public, why over-egg the reality of the benefits? One could say it was purely a con.
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So the mayor quotes a number of 4000 people dying of air pollution in the U.K. when if fact since 2001 there has only been one death certificate produce showing air pollution as a cause of death.
Office of National Statistics
it is unusual for wider contextual factors such as exposure to pollution or air quality to be recorded among the causes of death. One death in England and Wales in the period 2001 to 2021 had exposure to air pollution (International Classification of Diseases, Tenth revision (ICD-10) code Z581) recorded on the death certificate.
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