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But you don’t have to stay on a particular club site. You have a choice in that matter.
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You said "We are in York Rowntree Park shortly and I can tell you there are not many there who are happy to be paying 50 squid a night but most have a very specific reason to be there so have to bite the bullet."
Your wording implies others without a specific reason for being there are also unhappy at the price. They could stay elsewhere as several members do.
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Exactly you have to pay it, but this is a club site we're talking about, not something you have to have? There are plenty of other sites cheaper available.
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Wedgy I can't understand that, do you have to use this club site? There are plenty about York I would have thought.
As TDA says the club must be so happy with customers like yourself, they keep complaining about prices yet keep paying them.
If you're not happy with paying £50 then don't pay it.
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Sorry, but that makes no sense when there’s a perfectly good P&R on the outskirts.
They're blagging to you, Wedgy, but you don’t need to make excuses for them.👍🏻
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There is only Rowntree Park within walking distance of the City centre.
We are climbing Mam Tor shortly so will stay at Castleton for the same reason.
Location etc is everything but I don't have to be "happy " about the price even though i am fortunate that I can afford the cost.
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It is quite illuminating(pardon the pun) that whilst CAMC are happy to pass on an increased charge for electricity, there is no option to forgo it and avoid the increase.
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As said plenty of P&R available in York and it might work out cheaper. If you're climbing it appears you're fit enough to use the P&R?
Your choice but if I was unhappy in any way with the cost I just wouldn't pay.
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Well they do give you the option to avoid it, just don't go to a club site.
You posted recently that you thought CLs should stick to being basic? That's your view and people respect that. Why not give that same respect to club sites rather than keep wanting them to change?
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How would I know who "they" are? "They" are the people you referred to.
Yes, I've used the P&R but if it doesn’t meet your needs and using the site saves taxi fares or car parking charges, and means you’ll be financially better off, why complain about it? Even if not financially better off, surely the sheer convenience is worth a few quid. Tbh, complaining about the price of something that saves you money and/or hassle doesn’t make sense.
However, we seem to have got into the realms of site fees in general rather than the specific subject of the OP.
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We are climbing Mam Tor shortly so will stay at Castleton for the same reason
You could alternatively climb from Edale. New fold Farm site has hardstanding with electric for £30. Or grass without EHU for £25. Currently £10.60 less than a standard pitch at Castleton or £15.60 without electric. T&C’s are nowhere near as good though.
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You were talking about "they" as in people who might or might not be on site when you get there. It was very woolly and lacked substance which left us to draw our own conclusions on many points.
Let us now do the OP the courtesy of not dragging the thread further off topic.
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There was considerable debate about this at the time of the announcement back in spring 2020.
The overall objective was, obviously, to help businesses in the hospitality industry and either way of working helps - by increasing demand through lower prices or allowing businesses to keep more of their takings.
However, I do not think there is any doubt as to the reality. The main aim was to help businesses in the hospitality industry in a very direct way by allowing them to keep more of the money that they took. The language in the Government and HMRC pronouncements at the time make it pretty clear that this was the intention even if it did not spell it out in crystal clear terms.
A lot of high profile, mostly cash rich, national or international businesses, understandably concerned about how it would look, announced that they would pass the saving on. Most small businesses, many on their knees, did not. They kept their prices the same and kept more of their meagre takings. I think this was understandable, and, on balance, right and fair and, also, what Mr Sunak intended.
Those that did pass the saving on might expect some increase in demand. That is good too and, of course, helps; but this is indirect help which is slower to arrive and would have less impact on jobs and profitability; it is less significant than the more focused and simple help of allowing businesses to keep an extra £11.90 for every £100 that they took in revenue.
Undoubtedly, that was the main purpose.
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I thought the object was to reduce electricity consumption on sites. CAMC don't seem to be doing anything practical to encourage it. Offering a non EHU option would do so whilst still enabling others who want it all can do so. No impingement on members facilities that I can see.
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Ah yes! I completely forgot about that. That'll be what it is. Thanks Tinwheeler.
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No worries👍🏻. It gave us chance to dust off a few other things along the way😀
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Well they do, solar panels for one.
There is a rather obvious flaw in your argument, you're assuming there will be hordes of people who come to club sites and opt out of EHU. But if I recall correctly when this is/has been offered on CCC sites and others hardly anyone takes that option up? Personally I think people who choose to come to club sites (I know that is rather puzzling to you) want a certain package. If not why do they come to club sites in such large numbers? They know the setup and prices before hand yet keep coming back for more, doesn't that tell the club and you this is what people want?
Of course if people are as keen as your yourself to save energy there is nothing to stop them not using EHU at all?
The bottom line is that on club sites this is not an option, and if that is what one is after then one has to look elsewhere.
As I said before you state that CLs should be 'basic' site (no matter what their users and owners want) and now even though you don't use club sites at all and probably wouldn't even if all your suggestions ate implement (?) you're saying what should happen on club sites? It looks like, with due respect, touring has to be your way or not all at?
Why not let people decide for themselves?
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There was an area power outage while we were at FM a couple of weeks ago ,when power was first lost there was a rush of members to their bollards to see if they had overloaded. ,, followed. by a deluge. of members heading to the office to see what the problem was and how long it would be off,
It seems that the umbilicle lead is now more of a necessity. as most I would think CLs are finding , than the few who think they can do without
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I wonder how many will be exploring the possibilities of solar & lithium when the rapidly escalating energy costs mean your EHU pitch will set you back £60-70 per night.
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Corners wrote "Why not let people decide for themselves?"
That's my whole point, I can't decide for myself whether I want to pay for EHU or not. If it is compulsory then is it any wonder that people take a "fill yer boots" approach to electricity consumption. Your, somewhat disappointing but not unexpected, response of "If you don't like it, go elsewhere" does not address the underlying issue.
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I can't decide for myself whether I want to pay for EHU or not
Really why not? just don't use club sites, or just don't plug in that EHU. But as you don't use club sites the decision you have to make is non existent, or are you saying you would start using club sites?
But there's only an underlying issue for you CY as you keep posting about it and which you keep pushing for some reason even though you have no intention of using club sites? Maybe, just maybe, and however puzzling to you they want that setup?
Many thousands, hundreds of thousands, choose club sites times after time with no problems with this underlying issue, they simply turn up and enjoy their holiday why not let them decide rather than you?
Your option would be to remove one choice, at the moment there are club sites that have EHU included, sites where you can opt out (very few you'll admit compared to most), sites with metering... You want to remove one, and one which you don't use.
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...and yet the note regarding its soaring electric prices (and the suggestions on reducing usage) was from the club itself. But its solution is to just brace customers for increased pitch prices. Hardly inventive.
we've done a few THS site this year without ehu and are as comfortable without as with, especially as the prices are rock bottom at around a tenner a night.
Some folk do seem to think that EHU is vital as water boiled with an electric kettle is 'better/different' than that with a kettle on a gas hob. One thing is for sure, it's mightily more expensive of you 'simply have to have' and pay for hook up.
im also sure there must be something about how phones charged with a mains charger differ from those charged with a 12v USB socket. I've tried to find out what it is but I'm darned if I can.
the club could easily 'do a bit' for reducing its overall electric bill by offering a non EHU option. I realise they wouldn't actually save money (due to reselling rules) but surely reducing demand through customers who have solar would be a good thing?
the thing is, the club doesn't really do change or choice, it likes to sell the same expensive package to all and they certainly don't want some customers complaining about getting a pitch cheaper than others. Just not in the business model.
so usage rises, costs rise and 'the model' will spit out more of these emails periodically to brace members for the next round of price rises.
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Do members need to be braced BB?
You're making it sound as this is like home electricity prices going up, or fuel prices, food prices, something one has to pay for in some way and people have to brace themselves for the rise.
However with club sites this isn't the case at all, there is no bracing needed, using club sites isn't a must have item is it? Just like you say you do they will stop using them, use cheaper sites and as you say there are plenty out there (and of course many that are more expensive than club sites as you know yourself) ... and that's another point.
it likes to sell the same expensive package to all
indeed it does, why is that strange? what is wrong with any company doing that?
Of course what you miss off is that it manages to sell these (in your eyes) expensive packages time and time again and year in year out. On the club sites I've been on I've actually seen things even busier than in previous years. So maybe, just maybe people want to come on club sites. It's a business model that appears to work very well indeed.
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