Meaning of these numbers on my weight sticker

AndyJF
AndyJF Forum Participant Posts: 84

There are 3 numbers on my caravan's weight plate

1430kg - MIRO

1650kg - MTPLM (not labelled as such)

1800kg - ??????

What is the upper weight? If it means I can load up the caravan to this amount, that's great.

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  • Vulcan
    Vulcan Forum Participant Posts: 670
    edited July 2022 #2

    MIRO is the weight of the van as it leaves the factory.

    MTPLM is the maximum permissable weight of the van.

    Not sure about the highest weight.

  • Lutz
    Lutz Forum Participant Posts: 1,564 ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 2022 #3

    It would help if you could post a photo of the weight sticker or at least give us exactly the full wording on the sticker.

    The very fact that the MIRO is shown suggests that it's not the statutory weight plate, because MIRO has no place on that. If the caravan was built after 2014 there should be another (statutory) plate somewhere else on the caravan (usually in the front locker) and it would be interesting to know what that says.

  • AndyJF
    AndyJF Forum Participant Posts: 84
    edited July 2022 #4

    Yeah I tried to attach a photo, but this forum software hasn't shown it. Honestly this is the worst forum website I've ever used, it's so sloooow.

    Anyway, I'll have a look for the other plate. The one I'm referring to is on the outside, next to the door.

     

  • AndyJF
    AndyJF Forum Participant Posts: 84
    edited July 2022 #5

    Ah this is interesting. According to this site https://www.caravanguard.co.uk/news/2021-adria-altea-tyne-caravan-25025/ 

    the weight is upgradable to 1800kg. So I'm thinking that this sticker indicates the increased weight capacity. 

    Put it this way, I'm saving myself £150 and I'm showing the police that sticker, if needed.

     

  • Lutz
    Lutz Forum Participant Posts: 1,564 ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 2022 #6

    The label next to the door is not the official weight plate. It's only there for marketing purposes.

  • Lutz
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    edited July 2022 #7

    You'll find that the official (statutory) weight plate will only show one MTPLM of 1800kg. The label by the door just says that it's marketed as 1650kg.

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited July 2022 #8

    Was it like this⤵️

  • Lutz
    Lutz Forum Participant Posts: 1,564 ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 2022 #9

    That's the NCC label, not the official weight plate. It doesn't comply with the requirements of Construction and Use regulations, but only serves to inform for marketing purposes. Whether it accepted by the police or other authorities is purely discretionary.

  • AndyJF
    AndyJF Forum Participant Posts: 84
    edited July 2022 #10

    I'm really curious, and I should know this. But where is the official weight plate on an Adria caravan?

    It's something the van documentation should tell you, but sadly doesn't.

     

  • AndyJF
    AndyJF Forum Participant Posts: 84
    edited July 2022 #11

    Yup, something like that. Very similar info. However nowhere does it specifically say MTPLM, which I would have expected it to do so.

    Which is why I'm doubting it's the proper one. Think I'll spend some time hunting around the van, although you would expect it to be obvious.

     

  • Lutz
    Lutz Forum Participant Posts: 1,564 ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 2022 #12

    The statutory plate is very often to be found tucked away on the bulkhead inside the front locker.

    That plate doesn’t mention the term MTPLM because it is covered by international agreement and outside the UK not everyone would understand the meaning of that abbreviation. However, MTPLM, GTW, and maximum permissible axle loads always appear in the same order so that anyone without a knowledge of English can interpret the details correctly.

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited July 2022 #13

    You smell something not right AJF, keep digging-trust your senses👍🏻👏🏻👏🏻

  • vbfg
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    edited July 2022 #14

    I think that is the view of  most people who use it.  I am not someone who constantly finds fault with Club, as some seem to do, but I have to agree with you!

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited July 2022 #15
  • AndyJF
    AndyJF Forum Participant Posts: 84
    edited July 2022 #16

    Well the mystery deepens. I've scoured the inside of the van, looked in the front locker and other compartments. There is just nothing on it with any weight specifications, except the sticker by the door, and if the forum would let me upload the photo I could show you what it looks like. The image is a 3.5MB JPG, but it's not being shown in the photos section.

     

     

  • AndyJF
    AndyJF Forum Participant Posts: 84
    edited July 2022 #17

    Ah, images must be under 500Kb

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited July 2022 #18

    Yes, you’ll probably need to resize. The Image Size app is a good one and free for Android and Apple users.

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited July 2022 #19

    Yes but by the time you reduce it to KB’s it’ll post ok👍🏻. My posted SS was 170kB’s, it’s readable👍🏻

  • Lutz
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    edited July 2022 #20

    On another forum I read that the statutory weight plate of somebody's Adria was to be found on the A-frame, roughly under the front locker, but don't confuse it if you find one there with the chassis manufacturer's weight plate, which may also be in that area.

  • AndyJF
    AndyJF Forum Participant Posts: 84
    edited July 2022 #21

    Mystery solved I think. That sticker by the door IS the official weight plate, but the higher number apparently is the maximum axle weight. If you buy an upgrade, you get a replacement sticker to go over the top, on which I presume both weights will be 1800kg.

    Although it doesn't say so, the lower weight is the MTPLM. 

    Oh well, I'm not about to fork out £150 for a sticker, so I'll just be careful how I load up the van.

     

  • Lutz
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    edited July 2022 #22

    Based on the information that you have supplied your assumption seems to be correct. Some manufacturers have combined the statutory plate with the NCC label and that would appear to be the case here too. However, the plate (or sticker) should also show the maximum noseweight (denoted as axle 0), the type approval number and the VIN.

  • Boff
    Boff Forum Participant Posts: 1,742
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    edited July 2022 #23

    Often there is a fully compliant sticker hidden for example in the gas locker to supplement the NCC thingy.

  • AndyJF
    AndyJF Forum Participant Posts: 84
    edited July 2022 #24

    Oh believe me I've scoured the whole van and not discovered anything else.

    Could be embarrassing if plod stops me and says, where's your compliance sticker, and that one on the door is not it.

    Errrr. dunno officer, it's been well hidden, you'll need a forensics team to find it. :)

     

  • Lutz
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    edited July 2022 #25

    As I mentioned before, some manufacturers, mainly foreign ones, have started to combine the NCC label with the compliance sticker. If the sticker shows the VIN, the EU type approval number, and all weight limits including noseweight and axle limits then you know you've found the compliance sticker.