CL inspections
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David, I can’t claim to be a prolific user of CLs but I know others love them and some only belong to CAMC to access CLs.
Whilst the odd 6th van on a site may not hurt anyone in the short term, it is not within the rules we are governed by and has the potential to bring down the CL network by threatening the club's right to issue exemption certificates and thus depriving members of the use of CLs. For that reason I will report transgressors for the good of all. Supporting an agenda of rule flouting is not fair to fellow members.
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+1, fair & balanced comment👍🏻
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+1
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AD, other than your overnight park up to board a ferry, I suspect your knowledge of today’s CL network is actually rather limited. The last twenty years in particular have seen CLs evolve greatly beyond what they were, and certainly out of the realms of “pocket money” set ups. This is somewhat derogatory in terms of the expenditure, effort and superb welcome the majority offer nowadays.
The whole point is that the 5 pitch rule is just that, governed by what current legislation will allow. I for one fully appreciate what efforts are made, would hesitate to do any informing to the Club without knowing all the pertaining facts, but if it’s a CL, it can only legally have 5 occupied outfits overnight at any one time. If it’s a blatant attempt to flout this legislation, without extenuating circumstances, then the Club needs to know. Having been the sixth van on a Site, for reasons beyond our control, for one night only, I didn’t feel it necessary to complain, and would hope that had others known the reason, neither did they. But that was compassion, not exploitation. And we weren’t asked to pay for the extra night.The Club itself has been known to apply terms outside its ordinary remit, not least giving a safe park up for all those permanent on the roaders caught up in Covid, and I recall those without fuel in the Tanker Driver Strike being able to stay longer than 21 days. Quite how a vehicle without fuel could leave a Site, we didn’t ask at the time, (😂) but common sense prevailed.
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There’s a vast difference between tale tellers and standing up for right for the good of all. It’s not only a moral issue but one of legality. In a similar way, shoplifting is wrong both legally and morally as it reflects in price increases and ultimately affects us all. I’m a firm believer in fairness and morality.
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The reality is. The club has little interest in Cl's as they to some extent take business from the core sites. Likewise if Cl;s get bigger and with more facilities it makes the clubs position worse. On the other side the 5 van restriction curtails investment and the only way is either allow more vans in the knowledge no one will really bother or leave the network. After all few cLs outside the main holiday see any vans. unless they have made the investment in Hard standings, EHU etc. and then move to a commercial basis. Todays modern vans needs these almost as basics. Unless some action is taken the numbers will diminish or we will see more excesses of numbers at peak times.
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We stayed on a basic £5 site recently (£7 if the club web site has been updated) however it wasn't a pocket money site, it was part of a farm business run by a local family, they ran a campsite too. We can cope very well on these sites without a mass of facilities. We've also stayed on fully serviced CLs this year, extremely well equipped but not excessively priced. What we like is choice and some semblance of what to expect from the site information. This includes five vans not six or seven or more (this can lead to overcrowding and possibly invalid public liability insurance.)
Ref your school experience. It's a long time since I was at school but if someone piped up about something that was affecting everyone's enjoyment of school I would admire their courage. So maybe you could refrain from name calling and reflect on events that have affected your enjoyment of sites, we've heard you complain about them so to be fair to others you could let them have their voice too?
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But you yourself have openly stated you have reported people on CT David? Isn't that tale-telling?
I suppose it all comes down to when does tale-telling become something that is more than some petty misdemeanour and needs action, and all of us have different views on that. For you it appears this is one such case.
For others on this thread, myself included, it is that a CL that has voluntarily agreed to a number of rules and regulations that are based on a legal issue deciding it will ignore those and just set it's own rules. A small step perhaps but it could mean the end of CLs and spoiling the much loved CL system. Hence why some feel it is worth telling the tale and that should be respected without the name calling?
If a CL feels its does not want to follow the CL rules and wants a bit more flexibility then it could/should become an independent site.
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As most of you know time has caught up with me. I had been a long time user of Cls from the days of an unmown field corner to updated facilities. My concern is that through non action to bring matters up to date the numbers will continue to decline and future generations will not have our opportunities. Sad but there you go.
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Personally, I don’t think you need to worry about updating. Plenty of those who provide CLs are future proofing their little business ventures, in lots of different ways, without breaking the 5 van limit. We have never seen so much investment into alternative provision as we have in the last 18 months. Each time we have been away, and used CLs, at least one of our choice is busily putting in alternative holiday accommodation, alongside their 5 pitch area. This has included glamping pods, yurts and shepherds huts to name a few. Provision such as this will need planning permission, and it’s certainly happening given what’s going in. Extra provision such as this can only help to keep CLs at a reasonable price, and also allows family and friends who don’t tour, to holiday together. We have such a trip planned next month, us on a CL in our MH, family in alternative adjacent accommodation. The 5 van pitch area is still licensed by the Club, but everything else is outside the Club’s remit. The price of this CL, in a holiday hotspot is very very reasonable. Progress and future proofing is happening.
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It’s not about cheapness for me it’s about value for money I’ve never chosen the CL that asks for the least amount of money I’m about the area, the access the experience. Peace & quiet rates highly, the more folk rammed in the least P&Q. I think there’ll always be a need for a tranquil camp ground. Tranquil in its correct form not just a headline to ‘pull the punters in’.
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A CL that we were on recently had for some of the time during the week 6 outfits. One of these that was there for at least the full week that we were there was pitched just outside the CL with only a wooden fence in between. The caravan was hooked up to the nearest EHU which had two sockets. On the face of it this appeared that the owner was stretching the five van rule. We were told, however, that this was a bit of an emergency as the couple and their young children were between houses as something had gone wrong with the move. Their only option was to live in a cramped caravan for a while. It didn't inconvenience us at all and was, after all, outside the CL. Would anyone be critical of this situation under the circumstances?
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Without doubt some members would be critical.
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We are about area as well more than anything Rocky, in fact on our last trip, which included two Club Sites, our dearest stay was on a CL. Space is one of our top likes. That dearest CLalso provided the least space. Only 5 pitches, but they were Club Site spacings, not our preference.
I’d rather be on a small 15 van Site that’s AO as well, than 5 with children left to their own devices. Heresy to some, but honesty I am afraid. We had a rather torrid time a couple of years ago sharing a normally lovely quiet CL with a couple of families. Owner had to have more than one word at the time. It’s now AO, so those two families did no one any favours.☹️
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I have no idea where you get the idea that some on here are "trashing"over 5 limit occupied CLs ,it is the whole legal concept that some CLs are themselves are "trashing" and putting in jeopody,
If CL owners want to abuse their certificate for monetry gain ,and very many seem to be in the realms of non facilt club sites (without the on site staff) they need to apply to the LAto be a full comercial site , that i have been told is a much easier and quicker route than starting from scratch
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you know she dies in the end right?
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That’s irresponsible but, as a non-member, you've nothing you lose.
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I know of no other non-member who consistently advocates flouting the rules.
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And some members haven't had a dog for over 60 years yet still post regularly with advice and comments about them, crazy isn't it?
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Nah, I find that hard to believe🤔, no one is that cartoony obvious surely😂😂
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We're talking about end users here not providers. If I book a CL I'm hoping it will resemble what it says it will provide. So far this year the CLs we've used were 5 vans only. I was slightly worried about one of them but it was OK. Good holidays are built on trust.
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"Just take as many as you can, club members or not."
Indeed, how much more transparent could you be?
What is "nit picking" about expecting CL operators to adhere to the terms of their exemption permission? This thread is about CLs breaching those rules, not about campaigning for a change in the law.
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how more transparent could I be to the nit pickers here
Fish why resort to personal comments, why not just argue your point?
There's another CT rule here forming, if someone doesn't like being challenged about a post rather than give a rational counterpoint say the reply is nit picking?
You've questioned a lot of things about CLs? you've questioned if inspections happen and a few posters have said they did and met such inspectors, and your latest with no enformcent...
How do you know all this to be true?
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