5 van sites exemption etc
There are many forums out there discussing 5 van sites no doubt as a result of the bookings boom.
Claims that any organisation can get an exemption for a 5 van site, that you do no have to be a club member to use a 5 van site and that if you have a five van site you can add an aire are rife.
Is this misinformation or true, do the club's need to clarify this?
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It is largely misinformation. You can find the facts on the Internet and I don't think the clubs need to get involved.
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I think you need to stay of other forums!
Seriously, this is one of those subjects which could be endlessly debated however, it is what it is and personally see no change coming soon.
As for adding an aire-thats a whole other subject besides which, if one was to approach anyone outside our 'bubble' they would not have clue what you were talking about.
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No need to rely on other forums - there are official websites spelling out the various exemption certificates for tents, for caravans, for five van sites, and for rallies - and how to apply for them. Hundreds (literally) of clubs, organisations and social groups have obtained one or more of these exemptions. It's all on line as usual - with lists of all those groups printed out and the particular type of exemption they hold.
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All excemption certificates when issued are only valid for use of members of the organisation it is issued to and ir must be proved they are competant to hold one that must be held by a member of the organisation they can also be withdrawn by the local LA if there are complaints or non compliance
And non compliance is why both major clubs who are holders of certificates ,need to be advised by members using CLs /CS as if it comes from the locals (NIMBY)about non compliance then more notice will be taken ,and could result in either clubs certificate being withdrawn?
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All excemption certificates when issued are only valid for use of members of the organisation it is issued to and ir must be proved they are competant to hold one that must be held by a member of the organisation they can also be withdrawn by the local LA if there are complaints or non compliance
I suggest you check your facts before posting JVB. Natural England in their guidance advise:
What are the membership requirements for different certificates?
Membership is a matter for the organisations themselves, but the use of different exemption certificates dictates who can take part.
•Paragraph 4 – both members and non-members of the organisation are permitted to use the site, provided they all remain under the supervision of the organisation occupying the site;
•Paragraph 5 – exempted organisations issue certificates stating that a site has been approved for the use of its members. However, non-members may also use the site, unless there is an agreement between the site owner and the organisation that restricts its use to members only;
•Paragraph 6 – only for members of the organisation holding the meeting. Membership must have been given in advance of attending meetings and must be for a longer period than that associated with attendance at only one event (usually for a full year). Both the individual and the organisation must enter into a membership agreement with the intention that it is to run its full course (although there may be genuine reasons why an individual does not remain a member for the full term). An arrangement to give prospective members a trial to see what an organisation is like by inviting them to attend a meeting or by granting “temporary” membership is not allowed.
Paragraph 5 is the one relevant to Certificated Locations and sites. The Motorcaravnners Club (MCC) allows non members to use it's CLs but they are for motorhomes only. The OP's post is largely fictitious but the MCC CLs could be referred to as "Aires" but they certainly cannot exist in addition to a CL. i.e exceed five pitches. The MCC is a supporter of CamPra
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Presumably the club has an agreement with the landowner regards members only.
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I have in the past contacted UK Campsites as almost 100% of the time when looking at descriptions of CLs on their website they stipulate that you can often join on site if a non member. I have pointed out that this isn't true, although I understand that you can do it if wanting to join the C&CC.
Doesn't seem to make any difference though as they just ignore it. No wonder people new to touring may misunderstand how things are done.
I'm also sure that there will be a small number CL owners who turn a blind eye if a non member turns up or just assume that they are members anyway.
I don't often have to produce a membership card on site but I am often asked when making a booking by email or phone for it. I always offer it anyway.
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Some read factually some read fictionally obviously, thanks for the facts👍🏻.
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It is the setting up of exemption certificated sites that is in question, and as written in the Government Regs it clearly states to hold an exemption certificate they are issued to a "club" for the use of members only
There was no mention of "tempory sites" in the OPs query
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Among those organisations holding an exemption certificate to have a 5 van site there is the Wimsey Wharf Association - but I can’t find out much about them - so the Moose Caravan and Camping Club is a more interesting one.They have one CL on a big estate in Somerset and their website gives separate prices for members and non members of that Club. But Wimsey Wharf Association anyone?
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It's disappointing that in July last year I advised the club that a CL in Derbyshire requested people to book via their online booking form. Nowhere on the website does it state that the site is available to CaMC members only so anyone could book a pitch. There is no request for a membership number. Nine months later the website and booking form is still not amended. There is only the CaMC sign on the gate stating members only which is a bit late to find out although when I visited last July I wasn't asked to show my membership card.
As the CL is in a very popular area it is quite likely it is already booked up by non-members for this year.
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JohnM20, Be generous, members or not, we all enjoy this hobby and we all need good places to stay, I myself have no wish to turn other people away just for my own benefit.
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Mmm, let non-members stay and the end result could be the club losing the right to issue exemption certificates so we lose all the CLs. That's to the detriment of us all. Generosity, no; short sighted, yes.
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We predominantly, like many others, are members of the club to take advantage of the CL network. That's what we pay our membership for. If non-members can use a CL what is the point of having membership?
There must be some people out there that have used this particular CL because, until arriving, they didn't know it was members only and others, I dare say, who know full well that they shouldn't really be using the site but as there is no apparent check on membership at the time of booking or upon arrival they can get away with it.
The point of my earlier post was just to point out that reporting issues to the club as stated by JBV66 doesn't always get a result, even though the apparent problem has been acknowledged.
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