Aires in the UK

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  • EasyT
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    edited August 2020 #332

    I didn't say never just rarely as we are not always near the sea. 

  • brue
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    edited August 2020 #333

    What no Kinnie on Malta EasyT?! we even had it at a uk wedding last year. laughing (Everyone had a taster can by their place setting.)

    If we're talking about aires I presume the users have to stock up or have a meal out, even if it's a takeaway.

    Die hards who refuse to have a meal out fail to register with me. wink

    By the way all that nice shellfish in France often comes from the SW UK or Scottish cold waters.

    I had a nice crab lunch in Devon recently. It's lovely to get a break from shopping and cooking. 

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  • brue
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    edited August 2020 #337

    I did wonder so I joined in with the mention of a UK crab lunch as opposed to an "over there" crab lunch...wink

    I think most sites do bring in some local business, even aires but there are obviously just a few who don't venture out for a meal but shop in the local economy so it should balance out somewhere.

    I had a look at Biggarmac's OP and it looks like 7000 + have shown interest but as I don't do Facebook that's all I can see.

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  • EasyT
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    edited August 2020 #339

    Entirely up to you WTG no need to tell the world though.

  • EasyT
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    edited August 2020 #340

    Oh yes I do like Kinnie

  • DavidKlyne
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    edited August 2020 #341

    I had a look at Biggarmac's OP and it looks like 7000 + have shown interest but as I don't do Facebook that's all I can see.

    Brue

    There is more here https://www.campra.org.uk/?fbclid=IwAR0sNocgT5gWemydkoa13u1NqKOs83jtCbgRDqH_SJde4Z2IuOF-mlO51SU The links take you to a series of .pdf files. These files are mainly draft letters but might be worth a look. There are pros and cons of making Facebook Groups public rather than private but they are much easier to control and moderate if private, something I have some sympathy forwink

    David

     
  • DavidKlyne
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    edited August 2020 #342

    Graham Hadfield who used to post here but now seems only to post on the C&CC forum has this info on his website https://www.gjh.me.uk/aires.htm

    David

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  • redface
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    edited August 2020 #344

    OK ,so you want Aires, so how are you going to pay for their construction?

    Should they be at the cost of the local council ratepayers?

    Or, are you going to invest your money in them instead?

    How much will they all cost to build and how many needed?

    Once they are up and running who is going to collect the fees, to cover the running costs?

    Who is going to police the sites to stop travellers living in them and leaving their usual mess behind?

    Come back with some sensible answers and I will back the request

  • DavidKlyne
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    edited August 2020 #345

    I am not really sure that anyone is suggesting that? What is being suggested is that Councils have a more open mind to motorhome parking. You have a good example in your own backyard as Canterbury has been a pioneer in creating what seems to be excellent motorhome facilities, I think in one of its Park and Rides. As a motorhome owner my vehicle is taxed and insured so I am perfect liberty to park road side if I wish providing I meet any local restrictions. I would be much happier if I could park off street. This might mean at most cost of repainting a few white lines to accommodate the larger dimensions of a motorhome. I would be willing to pay an enhanced parking fee to match the additional space I take up. I think we need to start with the possible and if successful and if it works move on to the impossiblewink

    David

  • EasyT
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    edited August 2020 #346

    What is being suggested is that Councils have a more open mind to motorhome parking.

    That is not what the OP is suggesting at all. The OP is suggesting aire facilities not just somewhere to park. 

  • peedee
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    edited August 2020 #347

    An Aire is somewhere to park albeit over night. They can be just that or have more facilities like Canterbury.

    peedee

  • SteveL
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    edited August 2020 #348

    That's one definition. Certainly not mine. Services or not, they are car / MH parks, nothing more nothing less. An Aire can be so much more, as shown by those that are available in France and probably other places. We've only had the MH for a short time, so haven't fully investigated yet.

  • Rocky 2 buckets
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    edited August 2020 #349

    Me too👍🏻

  • EasyT
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    edited August 2020 #350

    If you wish to call a car park where you can pass a glass of wine to your neighbour without either of you leaving your outfit an 'aire' that's fine. For me it is a car park PD. That is not to decry anybody's choice in using one and considering it an aire. 

  • Rufs
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    edited August 2020 #351

    "What is an “aires de service”? Aires vary hugely so it's hard to give an exact definition. An aire is a low cost or free private camping area in France.

    There are various names for this type of camping, though aire de service is by far the most common. Aires Communales are run by the local community to encourage local trade; these are often the most looked after.

    The aires de service I am mainly referring to, are found either within or just outside settlements of all sizes. They are intended as a place for car campers to stop for the night.

    I say ‘car campers’ as the French refer to RVs/motorhomes as ‘camping cars’ and it also helps to define who can use the aires. The standard aire de service is a car park/parking lot, so hence it is not suitable for tent campers. We did find a couple of aires that were set into a forest, but this was unusual."

    google it, there are loads of definitions undecided

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  • EasyT
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    edited August 2020 #353

    I am not sure that in many areas the business case for a 'proper' aire stacks up purely because they are not popping up to meet the 'demand'. 

  • EasyT
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    edited August 2020 #354

    To me a tightly spaced car park is simply that. A car park that permits overnight stay and sleeping. If it had the outfits parked in every other bay I would call it an aire. 

  • Rufs
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    all right, keep your hair on, just saying , there are loads of definitions on the web, so perhaps those that use them, and i assume that is not you, then each will no doubt have their own defintion and reason for using them.

    But for the record I would not vote for any further move my LC may make to make any further provision for MH's using my money. laughing They provided 8 bays that are hardly used so enough is enough. laughing

  • EasyT
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    edited August 2020 #356

    Hair, what there is, i still attached Ruffs, I am simply saying what I would consider an aire and as I said if others want to call a closely spaced car park an aire then that is fine by me.

  • SteveL
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    edited August 2020 #357

    "What is an “aires de service”? Aires vary hugely so it's hard to give an exact definition. An aire is a low cost or free private camping area in France.

    Some of the ones we have noted in France prohibit overnight parking. They are just somewhere to dump and take on fresh water. Dumping is free, fresh water 2 or 3 € for 100 litres.

  • SteveL
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    edited August 2020 #358

    They might, but they won't be seeing our MH anytime soon.

    Dont mind basic, just don't want to be falling over the next door neighbour if I open the door, even in non covid times.

  • SteveL
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    edited August 2020 #359

    Possibly because the British are not prepared to pay the going rate for such a facility. When we used the Campingcarpark ones in France last year (typically 11 / 12€ Compared to an ACSI site at 15 / 20€) we came across only a few other brits. Most of the occupants were French, Dutch and German.

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