Corona Virus Concerns
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You are talking to someone who had/has the utmost sympathy for the mining communities AD. Family and friends involved, saw their lives, livelihoods and communities torn apart. As a member of staff in a Leisure Centre not far away, we hid miners from the police at Silverwood. I worked in the midst of it all year, and fully agree, what happened was terrible, those communities have barely recovered even now.
All I was trying to say was if it was the MS folks were referring to, it was in 1984/5, not 1982.
I met up with an ex Devon policeman many years later (on a CL). He had been at Orgreave, said it shook him at the time. But he had to follow orders.
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Not a problem. Not sure when you last visited this way, but you might be astonished at how much the landscape has changed around those places, but there are memorials to the Mining Industry all over. 🙂
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Doesnt alter the facts about a quasi police state being imposed though does it
David you have strong views on this which I respect but that is all they are your views. I have my viewpoint and neither is the viewpoint.
Just because they are your views does not mean that we have to accept them as the facts.
You keep bringing up the MS, I have no idea why as there is no comparison to the present police powers but I'll say no more on this matter as it runs the risk of getting this interesting thread closed.
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You keep bringing up the MS, I have no idea why as there is no comparison to the present police powers
On the contrary, as far as Nottinghamshire was concerned the comparison is valid. The police were stopping folk trying to enter the area from outside, turning them round and telling them to go home. Very similar to what they have been doing in Devon / Cornwall, Cumbria and Wales. I don't think there were any fines though. Not for the traveling element anyway.😀
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Oh the pit baths! Before Silverwood closed for good, we used to stable our horse in a lovely village a few miles away from Silverwood Colliery. One particular day, riding out, friend and I decided to try a new route home. It took us through some lovely woodlands, but we ended up coming out on a small road that actually went right through the Colliery, shafts one side, baths the other. It must have been shift change because all of a sudden as we were riding along, puthers of steam started erupting out of all the manhole covers all along the road......bath time😂 Didn’t half spook the beasties, a very active journey back home😂
If you look at this photo, the clouds to the right are where Silverwood used to be. It’s all lush green countryside now.
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Southwest Police forces have asked government for clarity on their responsible actions on the easing of the lockdown which will come into force tomorrow.
There are no small business open and the tourist carparks remain closed, for my end the Jurassic coast and coastal footpath remain closed.The RNLI and Coastguard are worried about a potential influx of people as the weather warms again.
If the majority remain at home and stay local it will not be an issue but if a large proportion decide on a day out to the south and southwest coast it is going to be absolute mayhem with nowhere to park and nowhere to go.
I also noticed that there are a lot of major routes closed overnight for resurfacing as the councils take advantage of the quiet roads, I think there will be lots of frustration with the diversons in place.
We will stay at home especially this first week/weekend I am not to bothered as this is the view from my front garden this afternoon....
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There'll be quite a few of us who won't be rushing out tomorrow. Although I was in contact with one friend who I know will be going out for a "drive." Not sure what that will entail, no facilities open except those in large food shops etc. I'm all for taking things slowly. And my Welsh neighbours can't go home to see their family in Wales for a bit longer I think?!
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February 1985
Mr. Loyden Does the Minister agree that it is patently clear from the answers given this afternoon that the Government are prepared to absorb the high cost of imported coal and all other elements that contribute towards the cost of the dispute because, as the Institute of Directors said at the weekend—it has been far more forthcoming than the Government — before the Government can carry out their economic and other policies, it is necessary to crush the trade union movement?
§Mr. Hunt When the Government came to office the United Kingdom was a net importer of 2 million tonnes of coal a year. By 1983 the position had been reversed, and the nation had become a net exporter of 2 million tonnes. Sadly, that position has now been reversed because of the dispute, and again the country is a net importer. That is yet another example of the enormous damage that the dispute has done.
§Mr. Hannam Will my hon. Friend confirm that the Central Electicity Generating Board has not imported any coal during the dispute? Is that not a further tribute to the flexibility that is built into our electricity generating system?
§Mr. Hunt My hon. Friend is absolutely right. The CEGB has not imported any foreign coal since the strike began, because it has not needed to do so. The best way for our great coal industry to proceed and to preserve markets is to return to full production at competitive prices.
§Mr. Ashdown Is the Minister aware that much of the imported coal that is being sold for heating domestic appliances will not burn in them and that that therefore adds considerably to the problems of old-age pensioners, 720especially those in my area? Will he undertake to look at the calorific value of that coal to ensure that it does the job that it is supposed to do?
§Mr. Hunt Yes, deliberate disruption of supply has caused and inevitably leads to hardship for many customers. I pay tribute to the coal distributive trades for having done their best to care for those who need looking after in our society. That is yet another example of the damage caused by the dispute.0 -
Orgreave, which was a small pit but primarily a Coking Plant, is just being redeveloped for housing. There are lots of other ex slag heaps that appear to be housing developments now, personally, wouldn’t be my choice of where to live, but I doubt most of the folks interested in living there will have a clue to be honest. It’s not called Orgreave now.. In fact, thinking about it,🤔 I suspect much of Sheffield’s Advanced Manufacturing Park is built there as well, including McClaren.
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sorry but I just do not see any comparison between the police actions in the MS and to stop people entering parts of the country to save lives, and both were within current laws, the police did not make up their own rules?
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I don't think people will rushing out to the tourists spots, maybe a few miles locally? But the evidence is there that being outdoors poses less of a risk for transmission provided social distancing so kept to. I think most will be sensible.
of course thousand of Welsh people close to the border may come into England looking for freedom
think they will be turned back or should they be Fish?Of course if the infection rate goes above 1 or whatever then the rules will adapted as said by BJ. But time will tell.
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It’s sensible to stay home while others get it out of their systems, rajohno. Like us, you’re probably used to staying at home during the bun fight of the silly season. We can only hope for the best now but I fear the monster has been unleashed.
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I hope all those let loose for a days outing can hold their bladder and bowels
There will be no public toilets open, no eating places toilets open, just have to run to the nearest supermarket assuming their facilities are open
Of course you can always take your cassette with you and sit on that one, providing you take the contents home with you
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Don’t forget, they'll probably have to queue to get in the supermarkets. I foresee a lot of folk with crossed legs. 😳
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For those caught up in it, both local communities, and the police in South Yorkshire, it remains to this day a very emotive subject. Outside of a War, it’s difficult to imagine how the two combined events of losing so much of the Coal Industry, and hot on its heels, the iron and steel industry, could decimate a relatively small area of the countryside in such a short space of time. Hundreds of thousands of jobs, gone with nothing to replace them, in less than a decade. It wasn't just the actual pits and steelworks themselves, but all the associated businesses that served and supported them as well. The Collieries owned a lot of the housing, the Mines Rescue Service was located in our town. For a vast percentage of the male population in South Yorkshire, those that didn’t choose an alternative career, they went into the pits and the steelworks, often on apprenticeships, and had jobs that would buy them a small house, raise a family, work hard, play hard. All gone. Knock on effect for towns as a whole was never going to be anything other than depression and hardship, for years to come.
I try not to take sides, partly because there’s never been a full enquiry, and it tends to be condensed solely around the more headline happenings and the two quite frankly appalling individuals who are remembered mainly at the centre of events. But trust me, it was about so much more than the skirmishes between Miners, steelworkers and Police. Most involved were good honest hardworking folks, trying to defend their livelihoods and families, or following orders.
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Got this form the Nt for Scotland:
Update on emergency action
Dear members,You'll no doubt have seen that we've had to announce some very difficult news today - we're having to take emergency action to help our charity make it through this crisis.
We're very sorry that we've had to take these steps. Like the whole country, we've been shocked by the speed and depth of the impact of coronavirus.
This has had a devastating impact on our income for 2020 and, even with the generous support of members like you and all the actions we've taken to cut costs, we're facing a very difficult road ahead.
Without these emergency measures, there's a risk that the Trust might not make it through this crisis, and all we do for the love of Scotland and the beautiful places we protect and the treasured experiences we make possible could be lost to all of us.
It's heart-warming to all of us at the Trust to know that we have your support, and I want to thank you for your continued membership, we really appreciate it. We know that many of you will want to help the Trust survive these challenging times and soon we'll be asking for your generosity. I hope we can rely on your support.
Best wishes
Mark Bishop's Signature
Mark Bishop
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National Trust for Scotland
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not to follow the crowds to "exercise"
not sure that Boris said that at all?
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At some time the lockdown will start to be eased, (maybe tomorrow is the right time, the WHO think it is and that the governments limiting plan is right). Whenever it is I will continue to be on alert and only go where I really need to go, so in reality nothing will change for us. Others will do what the advice allows them to do but, as always, there will be people who know best and decide the advice doesn’t apply to them. It was ever thus so
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Perhaps because you did not live in Nottinghamshire. Here, as the pits kept working the situation was somewhat different from the rest of the country. Just like Wales the police were stopping folk to check who was comming in. I don't think I said anything about them making up the rules, so not sure where that came from.
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Yes, just read as well, very sad. They are talking of selling off some of their none historic assets as well. I think stock market has implications as well from what I have read. Sounds like a hard hitting telling it like it is appeal for help.
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