Caravan on driveway

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  • Rufs
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    edited July 2019 #32

    I would say so, there are lots of reports on CT re caravans\Mhs being stolen or attempted steal from supposedly secure storage, not many from a persons drive. If at home my car blocks the exit from my hardstanding so they would have to move car before they got the caravan, & although i do not have a rottie Rufs will bark the place down if hears the slightest movement on the drive. 

  • richardandros
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    edited August 2019 #33

    I don't think so! We are half to three quarters of a mile away with a main A road between the development and the land surrounding the Mere. The Mere is an SSSI and if there was the slightest hint of pollution, someone would be screaming from the rooftops.  Plus - it's full of pike - always a good indicator of water qualitylaughing

  • Wildwood
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    edited August 2019 #34

    Caravans on the driveway do mean you can keep an eye on them which you cannot do in storage. Break ins depend mostly on the area so check this out.

    It is best to leave the blinds up and any curtains open with the caravan empty. In that way anyone can see there is nothing to steal.

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  • crusader
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    edited August 2019 #36

    Some local councils do not allow caravan parking on your property, however it cannot apply to motor homes as they are not a caravan

  • flatcoat
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    edited August 2019 #37

    You are wrong crusader. I have worked in housing design and development for over 45 years so do know a little about this subject. No local authority had such power to have a council wide blanket ban. 

  • TonyIshUK
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    edited August 2019 #38

    If you are lucky enough to be able to park the caravan / Motorhome on a drive without interrupting some ones view that's fine. But for a completely blocked view down the road, I would feel rather miffed if I was your neighbour!

    no problem with it on the drive for "doing". ( cleaning, loading, having auntie to stay and vacating the bedroom) but for 46 weeks of the year, looking at a slab sided vehicle, and not being able to see England's green and pleasant land, might force me not to take your Amazon deliverys

    Although on another forum, comment was passed when a Motorhome was parked on the drive and objections were raised, it was parked in the road instead.  No winners on that one?

    Just saying,

    rgds

     

  • richardandros
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    edited August 2019 #39

    I have been researching this subject in a little more detail since I suspect, after four years, a problem is brewing with our next-door neighbour.  Not to do with our caravan being on the drive, per se - but tied in with the use of a shared drive and getting me to move my van is a way of getting back at me. (Nice neighbours!)

    I always thought that the covenant could only be enforced by the person imposing (or 'benefitting') from it - and since the builder of our development has long gone out of business - thought we were OK.  This, it appears, is only the partial answer.

    If the covenant is transferred by successive owners to the new owners of a property - the covenant stays with the land and therefore with that new owner.  He therefore has the power to enforce that covenant - in respect of any property on that development - not just, say, in respect of next door.  Technically, therefore, an owner could object to a caravan parked 20 houses away, despite it being out of his sight! Given how transfer documents are usually constructed, this is the more likely of the two situations and the one I find myself in.

    Whether or not an occupier would want to take the matter to court, is another matter, because although the court may find a caravan owner in breach of the covenant, it might not, necessarily, demand enforcement - nor are they bound to award costs to the plaintiff - so there is a real risk involved.

    Another legal commentator makes a great play on the importance of Article 8 of the Human Rights Act which gives the right of an individual to 'enjoy the pleasure of their caravan on their property' - which he felt was more likely to override  a restrictive covenant.  I cannot, however, find any information as to whether this has been tested through the courts and can only assume that it has not.

     

  • ABM
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    edited August 2019 #40

    Oh, hell  I think I'll just sell up, buy a tent & store that in the loft frown !!

  • Rufs
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    edited August 2019 #41

    a lot of this is "hot air", i have an actual hardstanding next to my bungalow EHU, water etc, and as well as touring in the caravan we use it as a 3rd bedroom for guests and and hangout for the grandkids when they sleep over. We have no neighbours on the side where we park the caravan and we do still have a substantial hardstanding to park cars etc, so no inconvenience to others in the close whatsoever, however, some "busy body" reported us to the LC for parking the caravan and using it for habitation. Guy from LC came round to take a look and said "no problem" there are some ancient laws re parking and using the caravan for habitation but he said the LC never inforce these unless you are causing an inconvenience to others, that was 4 years ago, "busy body" has moved laughing

     

  • Oscarmax
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    edited August 2019 #42

    Your comment are of interest to me, we purchased a new bungalow 2 years ago, it has a restriction in the covenant 5 year regarding parking caravans, commercial vehicle etc on the drive, however, there is a clause allowing you to approach the developer for permission.

    We wrote to the developer they refused to grant permission and would only enforce it whist building on site if anyone chose to object to use parking a caravan on the drive, they would inform them to instruct  their own solicitor's) but were happy for use to load and unload the caravan.

    The sales staff informed us quietly once we are gone the developer is not interested, on our 45 property development there are at least 12 commercial signed vehicles. We are slowly pushing our luck, but holding on to the storage just in case.

  • derekcyril
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    edited August 2019 #43

    I thought ,if you look at small print all estates say no caravans parked forward of building line , wife used to be a legal secretary . She reckons it goes back years . Where i live my caravan is in back garden ,so fine . bought a signwritten van home once ,next door told me you cant park a signwritten van outside ! Blow me down wife checked , its written into a lot of estates ,but common sense nobody complains .

  • richardandros
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    edited August 2019 #44

    According to my research (and it is just that - I am not a solicitor), that's one type of covenant.  If after 5 years, you are still in your house, then the covenant no longer applies to you and you can keep a caravan there. I also agree that, even during those five years, after the builder has left the site (or ceased trading as in our case), there is little likelihood of enforcement.

    You can apply for a waiver to the covenant - to whoever granted it - but only if every occupant of the development agrees.  That's going to be unlikely and expensive to administer.

    The complication comes if the covenant in granted in perpetuity (in our case, I believe that's defined as 50 years) - then the covenant is normally transferred by one purchaser to the next - and so on - meaning that the covenant remains with the land, not the owner. That new owner then has the right to fight any breach - anywhere on the development - and not necessarily in respect of a caravan in his view.

  • EasyT
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    edited August 2019 #45

    then the covenant is normally transferred by one purchaser to the next - and so on

    Would that normally be within the deeds?

  • richardandros
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    edited August 2019 #46

    Yes ET - it's in the Land Registry Transfer Document

  • Lunarcpl
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    edited August 2019 #47

    When we moved to our current Bungalow seven years ago we had a MH. In our last house our drive  and garage were  at the rear and accessed by a private road. When we move the layout was more conventional. We knew that there was a covenant covering caravans but at the time we had the MH. To create more parking space we paid to have another crossover and hard standing put in, with the intention of using that for the MH, however due to the angle of the crosover where it meets the pavement the MH bottomed out because of the overhang, so it had to go on the original driveway. That is when our problems started . When we move in I made the mistake of mentioning our plans to the neighbour on the original drive side, and two years after we had move in he asked me when we were going to put the MH on the other drive, as "his friends at the golf club take the Mickey out of him living next door to a caravan" when I told him that I couldn't get it on the other drive he didn't speak to me for over two years. He has started talking again, but his wife still wont talk to us.This as turned into a bit of an essay,  but my point is that now we have a caravan, theoretically we are in breach of the covenant, but as the place was built 62 years ago I'm guessing that it wont be enforced. 

    I get the crooks know you are away argument,  just have to take all the precautions you can.

  • EasyT
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    edited August 2019 #48

    when I told him that I couldn't get it on the other drive he didn't speak to me for over two years. 

    Not all bad then