New Fiat Ducato

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edited July 2019 in Motorhomes #1

Fiat have announced a new Ducato base vehicle which should be available for 2020 models. A major change will be the option of a nine speed automatic gearbox to replace the current Comfort-Matic robotised manual gearbox. The new engine will require AdBlue.

More information in the Summer edition of MMM.

David

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  • JVB66
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    edited July 2019 #2

    I think ad blue is required in fiat comercial engines now

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited July 2019 #3

    Don’t think so, JV. That’s where Fiat differs from Peugeot.

  • JVB66
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    edited July 2019 #4

    Thought it was the other way round? as the Pugs are/were fitted with Ford 2.2 engines,which do not need it, whereas Fiat fit their own engines

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited July 2019 #5

    No, definitely not. 

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited July 2019 #6

    You edited after I posted, JV. 

    Peugeot have been using Euro6 2.0 litre engines requiring AdBlue since the 2017 models. Fiat have been using the 2.2 engines which do not need AdBlue.

    The Peugeot 2.0 is smoother and more powerful than the Fiat. We have the 2.0 160 which needs AdBlue. It seems Fiat will be doing similar with their 2020 models.

  • cyberyacht
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    edited July 2019 #7

    My van (2016 Pug) has the old Euro 5 2.2 150bhp engine which is non AdBlue. Always sounds like a bag of nails when it starts up although it runs smoothly enough. Don't know whether the newer engines are a bit more sophisticated.

  • JVB66
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    edited July 2019 #8

    Thats what we had in our  pug powered Autocruise they were made by Ford but used in numerouse 2.2 diesel powered vans and cars ,if it was a 2.2 diesel it was a ford enginesurprised

  • BlueVanMan
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    edited July 2019 #9

    More changes are round the corner for the Peugeot Boxer/Citroen Relay Engine Range.

    It seems that the 2017 2 Litre Engine may be about to be replaced by a 2.2 Litre Engine.

     

    "The new Peugeot Boxer is powered by a turbocharged 2.2-litre four-cylinder diesel engine. It's available in three states of tune, with the least potent option producing 118bhp and 300Nm of torque. Mid-range models have 138bhp and 340Nm of torque, while the range topping version has 163bhp and 370Nm of torque.'

    The current 130 bhp engine lists 350 of torque so that is a small reduction. I suspect the latest engine change is about emissions 

    However although on paper the 2017 engine had more torque (350 versus 320) than the "Bag of Nails" Euro 5 engine  I always felt that the Ford Derived engine actually had more grunt and not as easily drop out of the power band. . 

  • young thomas
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    edited July 2019 #10

    what i thought was significant was that, yet again, Fiat won't be sharing the new 9- speed alto box with other Sevel brands...PSA Peugeot/Citröen

    so, customers using a specific brand of converter using Peugeot base units will still need to order the Fiat chassis if two pedal driving is required...

  • Martatin
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    edited July 2019 #11

    My current base vehicle is Ford Transit 2.2 L 155HP. Looking at new Motorhome on 2020 Fiat 2.3L 120 HP. Been pleased with the Fords performance is the Fiat going to be noticeably less powerful? 

  • Tinwheeler
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    edited July 2019 #12

    Quite possibly but you’ll need to test one to be sure. Is there no option to upgrade to a higher BHP engine?

  • young thomas
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    edited July 2019 #13

    to set against the new Pug data, here's the info on the Ducato range of engines....just check the torque of the '180' version.....stump pulling as my old car mag used to say..

    "This latest Ducato is available with a choice of Euro 6D 2.3-litre engines with either 120bhp, 140bhp, 160bhp and 180bhp outputs. As previously, it is likely the lowest output will only be available in campervans, while the three higher outputs will be available in motorhomes.

    The new MultiJet 2 engines feature a new turbocharger which allows even the lower-powered 120hp engine to produce a maximum torque of 320Nm at 1,400rpm, which is 10% higher than the previous 2.0-litre engine.

    The 140hp version, which is likely to be the most common engine output available in motorhomes, produces 350Nm torque (an increase of 9% compared to the previous 130bhp MultiJet engine) at 1,400rpm and is available with either a 6-speed manual gearbox or the new 9-speed automatic transmission.

    The 160hp produces up to 400Nm torque, while the top-of-the-range 180hp version produces a maximum of 400Nm of torque with the manual transmission and, when combined with the new 9-speed automatic transmission, it produces 450Nm torque, 12% more than the previous model."

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